Tue
Jun 29 2010
12:08 pm

Jon Lawler, director of the Ten Year Plan to End Chronic Homelessness, announced today that the zoning variance request for reduced parking at the Flenniken School project will be withdrawn. "If we can make adjustments based on what we hear, we will. That’s an important part of the process," said Lawler.

The press release...


The Office of the Ten-Year Plan to End Chronic Homelessness announced today that Southeastern Housing Foundation, a non-profit affordable housing development organization, is withdrawing a request for a zoning variance for the old Flenniken School project following a public meeting with area residents. The public meeting was held June 21 at the South Knoxville Recreation Center. Residents clearly felt that there were parking issues with other developments in the area.

"We wanted to build fewer parking places because we believe they won’t be used and that the money to build them could be better spent. We also were concerned about unnecessary concrete which could be green space. However, the number of spaces is a clearly an issue with the people who live nearby," said David Arning of Southeastern Housing Foundation. "District Councilman Nick Pavlis also expressed his concerns. Therefore we are withdrawing the request for variance and will build all 58 parking places required by Codes."

“We are committed to communicating more with the entire community and to listening to what they say," said Jon Lawler, Director of the Ten-Year Plan. "If we can make adjustments based on what we hear, we will. That’s an important part of the process."

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bizgrrl's picture

Ha!

Ha!

whooshe65's picture

If the Board of Zoning

If the Board of Zoning Appeals granted this Variance back in May. How can David Arning, withdraw the original Variance Request now? The zoning has been changed, and the Variance is now Law, right?

Does this affect the Use-On- Review for Flenniken, that City Council approved last August?

metulj's picture

Tell you what. You tell us

Tell you what. You tell us who is funding your "movement" and we will educate you on how this all works viz zoning? M'kay?

Rachel's picture

Use on Review and variances

Use on Review and variances are completely different things, so no, one does not affect the other.

I guess technically SEH still has the variance, but they've announced they're not going to use it, thus making an appeal to City Council moot.

And I'm with metulj - before I talk with you too much more, I'd like to know who I'm talking with. Besides Ron Peabody, who are the principal players in TYP Choice?

vernon's picture

Identify

Why don't you all stop hiding behind false identities,Whats your last name Rachael?Who pays your bills?Do you work in the city county building,near the TYP's office?I think Mr Peabody is the only person who's not hiding behind a computer screen.

metulj's picture

My name is Toby Applegate. I

My name is Toby Applegate. I live in Parkridge. I am a lecturer at UT and my wife and I own a business. People who don't like my politics email me pictures of my house and children playing in my yard in and try to pull my credit record, but are so stupid that they keep trying to do it even though I require a PIN to do that.

How about you, Vernon?

R. Neal's picture

Why don't you all stop hiding

Why don't you all stop hiding behind false identities,Whats your last name Rachael?Who pays your bills?Do you work in the city county building,near the TYP's office?I think Mr Peabody is the only person who's not hiding behind a computer screen.

That's pretty hilarious.

vernon's picture

I am Vernon Frye and I live

I am Vernon Frye and I live off Northshore just inside Loudon County and I just think its funny that all these folks are demanding that identities be given out when they post under assumed names or nicknames.It has nothing to do with the issue of homelessness or the TYP which is what I would hope people would not lose sight of.

metulj's picture

No, it has nothing to do with

No, it has nothing to do with the issue of homelessness, but has to do with the politics of exclusion in Knox County.

Rachel's picture

Needed a laugh today.

Needed a laugh today. Thanks.

1) Spelled my name wrong. Deduct ten points.

2) I'm not working to get referenda passed that will result in a major shift in public policy. If I were, you can be damned sure I'd sign my name to it. Why aren't the TYP Choice folks?

3) You have clearly not been around here very long. Rachel is my real first name, and I imagine all KV regulars know who I am. Since you're so curious, I pay my own bills and I don't work in the City County Building, except for the work I do for free every 2nd Thursday afternoon of each month.

whooshe65's picture

I continue to be flattered

I continue to be flattered with your assertion that I am Peabody.

Considering that I completely agree with the TYP Choice referendum efforts, and the questions that they continue to raise, I consider your claims a bit of an honor.

rikki, Rachel and metulj, your inability to continue to discuss the issues, appears to me to prove the point Peabody is making about TYP Choice’s decision to not talk about the Group, so they can focus on their issues with the Ten Year Plan.

TYP supporters evidently can’t continue to make their case when faced with the Groups questions, so they try to attack Peabody personally, and claim that he is some magical shaman, that can create a web site, fight City Hall, write Ballot referendums, collect signatures and go speak to Neighborhood and Civic Groups all over the City and County, by himself. This guy continues to impress me.

A friend of mine was at the Council of West Knox Homeowners meeting last night. Peabody was the guest speaker, and he said that they will never talk about the group, so they can focus on their message.

I kinda think he is having fun keeping you all guessing. Every time, one of you asks the question, and tries to tie anyone that disagrees with you, to Peabody, it proves his point. Keep it up.

Go check out the mystery group’s web site at: (link...) , so you can keep up with Peabody, and his so-called group.

rikki's picture

I've never asked who you are,

I've never asked who you are, and I don't care. As far as I can tell, your group is a bunch of flunkies who got themselves emotionally invested and are now trying to figure out what it is they oppose. You're a mob with torches; anonymity suits you just right.

metulj's picture

Given WhooShe's perplexing

Given WhooShe's perplexing knowledge of Knoxville geography, I think you might have to go a long way to confront it, and I don't mean to West Knoxtington Hills.

Rachel's picture

(You're welcome for the info

(You're welcome for the info on the variance/use on review.)

claim that he is some magical shaman, that can create a web site, fight City Hall, write Ballot referendums, collect signatures and go speak to Neighborhood and Civic Groups all over the City and County, by himself.

Dude, this is the point. Peabody can't do all this by himself. So, who else is in his "group" and why won't he name them? (And BTW, he's "having fun keeping people guessing" is a lousy reason. I thought he wanted a serious discussion of the issues.)

Look, these petitions represent a pretty big shift in public policy. The public has a right to ask who is pushing for that change.

This has zero to do with whether or not I support the TYP. I'd ask the same question about any group trying to get any referenda on the ballot. You may not like the question, but I intend to keep asking it.

So again - who are the primary folks in TYP Choice besides Peabody, and why won't he just tell the public who they are?

whooshe65's picture

To use one of M's favorite

To use one of M's favorite terms, Asked and Answered. Although to be accurate, the question really should be posed to Peabody. Why don't you contact him?

Rachel's picture

Fine. Don't answer, as

Fine. Don't answer, as Peabody has refused to do on several occasions.

But you do realize that with folks who actually THINK about this stuff that refusal hurts your credibility? (See Rikki's comment above)

Rachel's picture

Whoa - Nine is that you?

Whoa - Nine is that you? Cause nine love to harp on the "asked and answered" thing.

metulj's picture

Charter West Knox IP address

Charter West Knox IP address maybe?

vernon's picture

Rachel-I apologize for

Rachel-I apologize for spelling your name wrong,I meant no disrespect , I am new to this forum and will try to keep my screw-ups to a minimum.
I am concerned that the break from the public trust began in the early stages of the TYP. According to statements made at the recent Deane Hill rec center meeting by the young lady from knox county, the only communities involved in the early stages of planning for the TYP were those located in the downtown areas. That explains why the scattered site approach is being pushed so hard.The residents in the debusk lane and teaberry lane areas were not involved.I have been to some of the Flenniken meetings and am pretty sure those folks were not in on the grand plan either.It appears the TYP's game plan is find areas with weak community involvement and go for it,anywhere but downtown.

Also, how can Lawler withdraw Peabodies appeal?Surely there is more required than just the applicant saying he won't use the variance. Wouldn't the correct way to withdraw the variance be to allow peabody's appeal to be heard and upheld,thus removing the approved variance?

Rachel's picture

The scattered site approach

The scattered site approach has been in the plan for ages. The TYP was just not politically savvy enough to realize that they needed to talk with neighborhood folks before, not after, they settled on a particular site. That says something bad about them, but it says ineptitude, not conspiracy.

As for "weak community involvement at Debusk and Teaberry", do you have any idea how politically powerful the West Knox Council of Homeowners is?

Legally, you're probably right about the appeal, but practically it won't matter. SEH has announced they won't use it. Perhaps they will go to BZA and ask that it be removed. I really don't know. Perhaps Robert Finley can comment if he's reading.

whooshe65's picture

I have been told that the

I have been told that the zoning for Flenniken has already legally changed, because of the Variance approval. So for SHF to say that they are withdrawing the request is kind of mute. The Law stands. It seems like City Council will still have to hear Peabody's Appeal, and Vote on it.

The other question is whether the Use-on-Review will stand, or will SHF have to go back to MPC for a major Plan change. Seems like they should have to go back to MPC, and do the Use-on Review again. I bet that is the last thing they want to do.

metulj's picture

Moot. The word is "moot."

Moot. The word is "moot."

whooshe65's picture

Thanks metulj, Moot, not

Thanks metulj, Moot, not Mute. Good catch.

Rachel's picture

If Peabody has any sense, he

If Peabody has any sense, he will withdraw the appeal. The last thing Council wants to do is go through a painful discussion of an appeal against something that isn't going to happen. Presumably Peabody has some friends on Council who will tell him so.

The other question is whether the Use-on-Review will stand, or will SHF have to go back to MPC for a major Plan change.

THAT'S an interesting question. The approved plan specified 24 parking places, based on SHF filing for a variance. Now they plan to provide more. I'll see what I can find out.

vernon's picture

I disagree, the pressure will

I disagree, the pressure will be on council to deny an appeal that is no longer being asked for , especially if a group from south knox shows up to support peabody.

At the deane hill rec center the lady from knox county recited the history of the typ in knoxville.She said it was created through a series of meetings and retreats which involved,by invitation, the homeless service providers and the downtown neighborhood representatives.The result was the scattered site approach and the TYP.

The problem with TYP seems to be mostly due to the fact that it excluded the opinions of the majority of the community.

Rachel's picture

Council doesn't want to deal

Council doesn't want to deal with this if it doesn't have to. If it's made to, members will be unhappy with Peabody. I doubt he wants that.

I completely agree with you that the TYP's biggest failing has been its political tin ear for dealing with the community.

P.S. "The lady" from Knox County's name is Linda Rust.

metulj's picture

Those meetings produced the

Those meetings produced the "scattered site" approach? That's factually incorrect. The method does not have its origins in Knox County.

fischbobber's picture

Those meetings produced the

Those meetings produced the "scattered site" approach? That's factually incorrect. The method does not have its origins in Knox County.

Nor is it mentioned in Knoxville's TYP plan. It does not come up until the committee meetings as is noted in a previous post. In the sense that the scattered approach was not brought into the Knoxville plan until after our TYP mission had been laid out and after committee meetings, and the politics that go with them, Vernon is not only correct but dead on the money.

It's kind of a stupid point to be nit-picking over.

metulj's picture

You are lying. The scattered

You are lying. The scattered site approach weighs heavily in the plan. Again, this is proof that you are not even reading the documents, spreading falsehoods and assuming that your constituency will take what you say on faith. See here, pp. 30 and 35. Stop dissembling. Stop lying.

whooshe65's picture

Metulj,If you are going to

Metulj,

If you are going to reference a document to prove that someone is "Lying" about something, you might want to check the document that you are using. The Link you provided is for Dr. Nooe's 2008 Study of Homelessness in Knoxville, not the Ten Year Plan to End Chronic Homelessness published in 2005.

Please go to the TYP Link at:
(link...)

And Search for Scattered Site, or Site, or Scatter, and see how many times it comes up in the document.

You will have to do better than that M.

whooshe65's picture

Metulj, I apologize. You did

Metulj,

I apologize. You did find the words Scattered in Dr. Nooe's Study from 2008. In Both cases they reference existing Homeless assitance programs, that were not, and are not part of the Ten Year Plan To End Chronic Homelessness.

One is Angelic Ministries, and the other is Transitional Living. Both of these Programs, work outside of the Current Ten Year Plan to End Chronic Homelessness, because they are Absinence based programs. Yes, they do have Some Scattered Housing, but it is Abstinence based, and very well supervised. The Homes target Youth 16-21 years old, and the other has mens and womens houses. I believe the sites have no more than 15 residents in each.

Again, if you are trying to prove something. you can do better.

fischbobber's picture

You are quoting a document

You are quoting a document written three years after the primary source document referenced.

I'm not lying, I'm merely smarter than you.

metulj's picture

Knowing that no one, other

Knowing that no one, other than me, will check behind your bullshit is a liberating feeling, isn't it?

Answer this question: Do you really love Lakeshore that much?

whooshe65's picture

What does it take for R.Neal

What does it take for R.Neal to take action against one of his friends on this blog? Seems like Metulj was nailed quoting the wrong paper, calling someone a Liar, and now claiming that that person delivers Bull#@%$.

Enough is enough, at least attempt to be fair with your management of this Blog.

metulj's picture

The Anti-TYP three card monte.

The assertion is that the scattered sites is some sort of made-up-last-week idea. It's not. It's all just dissembling.

And until you two tell us who you are, then there is no one to insult, defame, or slight. Coward.

sobi's picture

Those claims of bullshit delivery seem justifiable, whooshebod.

At least he seems to be one of the you that is "us" whose "ideas" got "shot down" or something like that.

It is completely off topic to say it here, but TYPChoicers prove over and over again that they are fundamentally dishonest and hypocritical. I used to think you just simply had no idea what you are talking about, but your shady little group goes beyond that. metulj is absolutely right and your protests against him are typically trivial and inane. You and your friends depend on people not actually thinking about your bullshit, and not verifying it. That becomes more evident every time you open your cheese trough about the TYP, from your often repeated nonsense about case managers and their jobs to your moralizing about sobriety requirements to your hysterical disinformation campaign about costs to your completely unfounded accusations that the Sheriff is importing homeless people into Knox County. It's not that you never say anything that is true, but nothing that you say can ever be trusted.

fischbobber's picture

from your often repeated

from your often repeated nonsense about case managers and their jobs

Do you mean the stuff like the definitions of the two types of case management and the six facets of one type versus the ten facets of the other as defined by the federal government or were you referring to the fact that the Knoxville TYP plan has one of the lowest client to manager ratios in America as well as no 24 hour access as is typically mandated by a scattered PSH approach?

Feel free to be specific.

metulj's picture

Well, you certainly are free

Well, you certainly are free to dissemble.

Rachel's picture

It's kind of a stupid point

It's kind of a stupid point to be nit-picking over.

Finally, something I can agree with fischbobber about! It doesn't really matter exactly when the scatter site approach got into the TYP, the fact is that is IS the current policy.

metulj's picture

The problem with TYP seems to

The problem with TYP seems to be mostly due to the fact that it excluded the opinions of the majority of the community.

Ah, yes. It doesn't fit my desires so the majority is against it. If Mr. Peabody can get those ballot questions past the post for November, we'll see.

Here's the problem with all this: Historically, there have been times when the majority has cause great suffering for the minority.

vernon's picture

Ah yes.It doesn't fit my

Ah yes.It doesn't fit my desires so it must be called lie.

Its true that Knoxville is not the first city to use the scattered site approach, but can you honestly say that the downtown residents early and deliberate involvement in creation of Knoxville's TYP, did not require that the facilities be exported to other areas of the community in exchange for support?Is it wrong that the areas recieving these superfantastic facilites were the ones excluded from representation in the process of forming a plan.
Why have a process that is only representative of a small group,why not allow a broad range of neighborhoods to contribute.If they had the TYP may not be such a disaster.

metulj's picture

Get the geography correct.

Get the geography correct. 37902/37917 receive the chronically homeless. All other metro zip codes export the chronically homeless.

As for exclusion of those sending neighborhoods, that is an admitted, by the TYP group, problem that they have been trying to rectify.

Did you say you live in Loudon County? Where do chronically homeless people go to get help, services, in out of the rain, etc. in Loudon County?

vernon's picture

Or you could say-37902/37917

Or you could say-37902/37917 recruit the chronically homeless from Loudon County and anywhere else,Then 37902/37917 export those chronically homeless to all other areas of the county under the cover of the TYP,

So assuming Teaberry was built,you would call that 37919 a "sending neighborhood"?

I don't get it.

Ray Abbas's picture

C'mon. Export?

You export goods, not people. Words say allot.

Ray Abbas

vernon's picture

So tell me Ray,as a downtown

So tell me Ray,as a downtown resident,have you not expressed a strong opinion to get the homeless out of your neighborhood?If the TYP wanted to build another facility near your home would you fight it?Your words and actions also say alot.I m sorry to use such insensitive words about the people you are trying to make go bye-bye.

Rachel's picture

Now you've gone and done

Now you've gone and done it. Apparently you don't know Ray Abbas.

BTW, I'm reading this thread to find out about the Flenniken parking variance. This seems to have morphed into something that needs a new (or different) thread.

Ray Abbas's picture

Let me apologize in advance

Let me apologize in advance for the brevity of my answer but I have to be at an appointment shortly but I wanted to clear up a couple of things.

First, I don't live downtown. I live in Old North Knoxville. I make the distinction although I realize many do not. If you aren't familiar with the area think Central and Baxter, Freezo and the old Sears Building. Secondly, as I have said in the past. I personally wouldn't care if the next site was built next door to me because I would love the savings in gas. I work with the homeless or work on the homeless crisis everyday of my life. The idea that I want them out of my neighborhood is simply uniformed. The well being of the TYP is why it is necessary for it to be in other neighborhoods as well. When a site is built in all four quadrants of the City, I look forward to the next site for newly housed Knoxville residents to be as close to me as possible. That is precisely why I have fought and fought for Debusk and I publicly stated that the enormous mistake that Jon Lawler and the TYP made was not saying that we will fight for it. Instead, they chose subsequent sites only to continue to be shot down. If this didn't prove site selection was not the true issue, I don't know what does. The most telling to prove this point is that during the Debusk debate detractors suggested Teaberry. (That email is part of the Open Records Request I did for the HUD investigation.) During the Teaberry debate, detractors suggested Lakeshore. Now Lakeshore is on the table and all heck is broken loose.

Finally, to the question of JJ bringing homeless to Knoxville from other counties. My first thought is ask JJ why it's happening. I can't speak for him but my gut tells me it is because surrounding counties care even less about their homeless than we do. I would suggest that if other counties want us to take their homeless because they don't provide the service that they sign a Memorandum of Understanding that outlines how much they are going to pay Knox County for said services. You know what will probably happen then? When it becomes more expensive to pay Knox County for the service than to provide the services themselves, they will provide the service.

In my eyes, almost every question can be answered with LEADERSHIP. Take your self interest out of the equation and LEAD.

Ray Abbas

metulj's picture

The homeless transfer

The homeless transfer "program" has been suspended, right?

bizgrrl's picture

Finally, to the question of

Finally, to the question of JJ bringing homeless to Knoxville from other counties. My first thought is ask JJ why it's happening. I can't speak for him but my gut tells me it is because surrounding counties care even less about their homeless than we do.

Is it true that homeless from other counties are (have been) being brought to Knoxville for services?

metulj's picture

They used to do it. I thought

They used to do it. I thought they had stopped.

vernon's picture

I must be mistaken but I

I must be mistaken but I could swear that remember reading a comment from you on this same subject a few months ago when you explained about your fathers business and your long history in that area and that you did in fact want to get the homeless out of your neighborhood.

Ray Abbas's picture

My dad owned a business on

My dad owned a business on the corner of Broadway and Gill (currently the Dominos Pizza) for over 30 years. Seeing my mother and father caring for the homeless is in large part why I have been advocating for them since high school.

Ray Abbas

whooshe65's picture

Ray, Maybe you can explain

Ray,

Maybe you can explain why JJ is bringing in Homeless from surrounding counties? Do you know?

Robert Finley's picture

This has been addressed.

This issue popped up back in March. Sheriff Jones addressed it immediately.

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Amy Broyles wrote:

Neighbors,

Sheriff Jones spent a great deal of time yesterday working on this issue for us, and here is how it currently stands:

After speaking with his dispatchers, he discovered to his surprise that they were indeed sending patrol cars out to the county line to pick up former inmates from other counties and bring them to KARM. He has given instructions to his dispatchers that this is to stop immediately. His new policy is that KCSD will not send deputies out to the county line to accept other counties' former inmates or homeless and then transport them to KARM. He has also spoken directly with the Sheriffs of Roane, Loudon and Blount counties and asked them to no longer call KCSD for transport, and to not bring them in themselves. Apparently, those are the three counties who do this most frequently.

Sheriff Jones has apologized for this situation, even though he didn't realize it was occurring. I appreciate his attention to this matter and the actions he has taken to correct the situation. I also would like to thank Rob Finley in the TYP office for working on this issue as well - I believe he was the first one to contact Sherry Jones about it yesterday, and he has been a vocal advocate for the neighborhoods on this issue.

I hope we will all keep an eye out for squad cars from other counties dropping people off in our area. I hope the other counties will respect Sheriff Jones' request, but we will see.

Commissioner Amy Broyles posted the above on the 37917 listserv, and she gave me permission to re-post it here at KnoxViews. I hope it's helpful.

whooshe65's picture

OMG, Really? JJ Didn't know,

OMG, Really?
JJ Didn't know, give me a break. He IS the Sheriff.

sobi's picture

This particular Sheriff does not seem to be a liar, Ron.

Omniscience is not a quality that is generally demanded of the Knox County Sheriff. Although he apparently does not possess that quality (which you seem to believe you do), JJ Jones appears to be a fairly honest and up-front guy. If you can prove otherwise and you think you're up to calling him out, do it. In person. Just imagine. What a fantastic media opportunity for you and TYPChoice. But mostly for you personally, you Maximum Leader you.

whooshe65's picture

Nothing like deverting the

Nothing like deverting the real point to something other than the issue.

Our Sheriff's department was, with or without JJ's knowledge, actively bringing released criminals, and Homeless individuals from the surrounding Counties into Knox County and taking them, not to our Jail, but to KARM so they could be processed into the Homeless System here in Knoxville.

Oh, and you continue to impress me, by thinking that I am someone else. Might as well say that I am Nine, and Darth, or anyone else that you don't agree with and want to attack.

rikki's picture

This shuttling of homeless

This shuttling of homeless people to the downtown facilities certainly underscores the fact that center-city neighborhoods are overburdened by this problem. It also suggests that a scattered-site approach makes sense not just for PSH but for other services as well.

Obviously homelessness is a problem our community should be trying to address. Destroying the TYP would be a step in the wrong direction.

whooshe65's picture

Wow, The KNS actually

Wow,

The KNS actually reported on this story, finally after 5 months.
(link...)

Interesting how they managed to not mention Knox County Commissioner Amy Broyles, or her email posted here by Robert Finley.

Go to: (link...)
So you can help stop this kind of manipulation by our government.

metulj's picture

What the hell are you getting

What the hell are you getting at? The KNS is covering it up? You've officially gone off the deep end.

metulj's picture

Your whole premise is

Your whole premise is predicated on there being "recruiting" people in the downtown neighborhoods. Who are those people? It is also predicated on treating human beings as commodities as Ray has pointed out.

vernon's picture

Who benefits from an

Who benefits from an increasing homeless population in Knoxville?Who suffers from a declining homeless pop?People as commodities, hmm, like placing a homeless person in an apartment,and signing them up for disability,keeping 100% of the check to pay rent to a developer.
Forgive me for my lack of exportise.

metulj's picture

Ah, the little twists of

Ah, the little twists of disinformation. The rent is not even close to 100% of their checks.

Placing a homeless person in a home is one less homeless person. Outcomes matter. Which is why so many people are pissed about this: They lose the moral argument by the very means they hold so dear....

Somebody's picture

I think generally the

I think generally the standard is no more than 1/3 of income (whether from SSI or employment or both), with the difference between that and HUD-determined fair market rent potentially covered by a 'housing choice voucher.' So nobody coughs up their entire income in rent, and HUD puts a cap on how much rent can be charged in the first place.

The bottom line is this: if this is all such a lucrative endeavor, why is it that, despite the lagging economy, there isn't a line of developers going down the street to make all this sweet, easy money? I'll tell you why. Because there's no sweet, easy money.

vernon's picture

Dear Somebody, please call

Dear Somebody, please call Jon Lawler at the TYP, tell him you would like to participate as a developer in the TYP, he will explain that the ONLY developer is Southeasteren Housing, an entity formally owned by his dad,they are the only company approved for TYP.
minvilla developer fee $850,000.00 plus ownership of property plus rental income guaranteed by disability income.same for flenniken, I don't know what you consider sweet, easy money but that qualifies in my book.

Somebody's picture

Looks like a lot of this was

Looks like a lot of this was discussed at a public meeting recently.

(link...)

I'm not a developer, so I don't think I'd be qualified to volunteer to be one. From the description at the above link, it makes fairly clear just how 'inviting' this kind of development work is. There's a lot of risk and legal caps on reward, and developer fees get rolled back into operations and the next development. There's pertinent discussions on all this under the heading "About developer risks and rewards," and also under "Discussion."

If you're a developer, perhaps you should call Lawler. I've heard SHF described as a key partner, but never as having been granted some sort of exclusivity, if any could be granted. Aside from that, I don't think there's anything stopping a developer from completely bypassing the TYP and creating PSH on their own. Oh, except that it looks like there's not much profit to be had in that kind of development, which was my original point.

vernon's picture

nonrecourse money(that means

nonrecourse money(that means free building),850k dev fee, income stream guaranteed from fed,I don't think even you could screw this one up.

metulj's picture

Shill account.

Shill account.

vernon's picture

Did your 3 year old suggest

Did your 3 year old suggest that comment as well?
What a clown.

vernon's picture

Dear Somebody, please call

Dear Somebody, please call Jon Lawler at the TYP, tell him you would like to participate as a developer in the TYP, he will explain that the ONLY developer is Southeasteren Housing, an entity formally owned by his dad,they are the only company approved for TYP.
minvilla developer fee $850,000.00 plus ownership of property plus rental income guaranteed by disability income.same for flenniken, I don't know what you consider sweet, easy money but that qualifies in my book.

vernon's picture

Really, How much is check

Really, How much is check they will recieve,is it directed to the landlord or does it actually get into the hands of the disabled who then pays the rent, and lastly how much is the rent,Robert Finley feel free to chime in.

metulj's picture

My 3-year-old son asks the

My 3-year-old son asks the same questions over and over and over hoping beyond all hopes that somehow, some way he will get the answer he wants.

These questions have been asked and answered.

You live in Loudon County, right?? How does this affect you? Not that you can't have a say, but what's this all about?

vernon's picture

Thats nice,the only answer I

Thats nice,the only answer I want is a truthful one,
You said the rent is not even close to 100% of the income checks,so if you know these amounts please tell me, if you don't, no big deal.

metulj's picture

Again, asked and answered.

Again, asked and answered. Something along the lines of Section 8 rates which top out at ~30% of income.

fischbobber's picture

The scattered site approach

The scattered site approach has been in the plan for ages.

It's on page 47 of the Ten Year Plan in a chart about halfway down. You have to read it sideways if you don't print it out.

Rachel's picture

answer to UOR question

Not sure what will happen at Council meeting; i.e, whether or not they will still take up the appeal.

But the UOR does indeed have to go back through MPC.

vernon's picture

Is slope protection an issue

Is slope protection an issue on the flenniken site?KGIS shows a 30% grade on that back yard and it appears to be the only place more parking could go.

Rachel's picture

It's not in a slope

It's not in a slope protection area, as far as I know.

vernon's picture

The original use on review

The original use on review required 65 parking spaces how did that get to 59 w no variance?

Rachel's picture

The original UOR approval was

The original UOR approval was for 24 parking places, provided they could get a variance. According to MPC staff report, the ordinance requires 65 spaces.

I don't know where I got the 50-something # from - may have just misremembered. Sorry.

whooshe65's picture

SHF, back to MPC of my.

It appears by watching the City Council meeting last night, that Mr. Arning will have to go back to MPC and do that whole Use-on-Review thing again.

Wonder if they can get City Council to overturn the next MPC Denial of this request?

Rachel's picture

It appears by watching the

It appears by watching the City Council meeting last night, that Mr. Arning will have to go back to MPC and do that whole Use-on-Review thing again.

That's what I said several posts ago.

vernon's picture

Maybe this time the TYP will

Maybe this time the TYP will be prevented from running over south knoxville.

metulj's picture

n/t

n/t

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