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Apr 5 2010
08:49 am

Knoxville City Council will vote tomorrow night on three separate agenda items totalling $1.15 million in funding for the Flenniken Permanent Supportive Housing project in South Knoxville. Here are the details of the funding request, project proposal, and finances.

whooshe65's picture

Current total estimated

Current total estimated cost-$7,080,000.
48 units at $147,500 each.
Supportive Services Cost-?

News Headline-
Knoxville Writes Blank Check to TYP for Unknown Supportive Services Costs

Anonymously Nine's picture

Blank checks

The Knoxville News Sentinel had a story on Flenniken, if you could find it. Yet somehow the KNS thought the "newsworthy" item was $200,000 for Streetscapes. Not the $1.1 million dollars of additional funding for Flenniken. It is almost like they don't want people to know about the City Council vote Tuesday night at 7:00PM. But that couldn't be. Could it?

Flenniken now costs an amazing $145,000 per apartment. But since its government money its free, right? Federal money doesn't cost you a thing does it?

Still no word what the therapeutic support services cost. But over at the KnoxFocus.com is an Op-Ed from Robert Finley that says, "In fact, research shows that the TYP approach is at worst a breakeven proposition, and is almost always cheaper than leaving people homeless."

Big problem, other studies say that is incorrect. What City Council should do is stop any more funding for the Ten Year Plan until Minvilla is up and running so we can find out what this plan really costs on a annual basis. The writing of blank checks to the Ten Year Plan has to stop.

So this has gone from a big savings to a break even all since the Arnstein Center meeting. The truth is no one knows what this will cost Knoxville taxpayers. What we do know is that Housing First is failing all across America and even HUD is worried about the concept.

“We cannot deny the realities of homeless people abusing substances. The great majority of them, when sheltered, are going to be living in multi-unit buildings in which their ongoing substance use will affect others. Persistent drug use, for example, will offer an ongoing temptation to others who are themselves at various phases of change or recovery. Even if homeless clients do not sell illegal substances themselves, their use ensures that they are caught up in the crime and violence that accompanies drug and alcohol abuse. For many people, substance abuse brings changes in behavior (belligerence, noise, bizarre behavior), that undermine social/therapeutic health. Moreover, ongoing use of alcohol and drugs leads to progressive debilitation and adversely affects the capacity of those so afflicted to make good decisions.

...To the extent that projects using low demand acknowledge these social realities, then low demand may well comprise a feature of a viable response to chronic homelessness. However, the Department cannot in the name of low demand condone or acquiescence in the continued, unabated use of harmful substances or accept the ultimate expendability of people who do not recover.

Andy Axel's picture

From the same

From the same citation:

"While abstinence and a substance-free life represent long-term goals, any immediate step in that direction, such as reducing the quantity and/or frequency of use, should be viewed positively and reinforced."

"Certainly current research challenges the presumption that substance abusers can’t and won’t change."

Did you even read the study that you quoted?

The conclusion: "While the study is small and exploratory in nature, the findings from the three Housing First programs selected for study—Downtown Emergency Service Center (DESC), Pathways to Housing, and Reaching Out and Engaging to Achieve Consumer Health (REACH)—provide evidence that the Housing First approach, as implemented in these three programs, can promote housing stability and other positive outcomes for homeless people with serious mental illness and substance abuse issues."

Anonymously Nine's picture

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"can promote housing stability and other positive outcomes for homeless people with serious mental illness and substance abuse issues."

At what cost Andy? Bankrupting the City of Knoxville will not keep the doors open.

You may want to enlighten yourself:

(link...)

Click on the authors name for the study.

This is about therapeutic supportive services. We have a right to know what they will cost. Right?

Anonymously Nine's picture

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The fundamental key is addressing addiction. The linear model does a superior job on this single aspect compared to Housing First.

The question is simple, can the city afford to house addicts for life without requiring at some point that they attempt to obtain sobriety?

So do you support $68 million dollars to house 800 people even if it is federal money? Do you support spending $37 to $41 million dollars a year locally to provide therapeutic support services? Or to save money do we just warehouse them and not provide services?

What about everyone else? There isn't anything left over for the other 182,000 people in Knoxville.

Andy Axel's picture

You may want to enlighten

You may want to enlighten yourself

You first.

Homeless patients and providers, and the communities in which they find themselves, rarely pursue just one objective (housing versus recovery). No community is obligated to offer only one form of intervention, and we suggest that it would be harmful for communities to constrain themselves in that fashion.

So we find that once again, Mike Mitchell, the Mr. Magoo of the greater Knoxville web commentariat, steps out on a limb and predicably falls.

Do you ever bother to read what you link beyond the headline?

Can you even read the abstract?

Several examples of the linear programs document reductions in addiction severity, but have shortcomings in long-term housing success and retention. This article suggests that current research data is not sufficient to identify an optimum housing and rehabilitation approach for an important homeless subgroup. We suggest several ways in which research regarding Housing First and linear approaches can be strengthened, and that for policymakers, caution is warranted in generalizing the results of available Housing First studies to persons with active addiction at time of program entry.

Rick H.'s picture

http://www.wate.com/Global/st

(link...)

Joe Bailey still doesn't get it. Daniel Brown does.

SnM's picture

5-4 in favor.

Rachel's picture

After 2+ hours of discussion.

After 2+ hours of discussion. It's clear to me that the TYP needs to do a much better job of communicating with (and that means to and FROM) the community, or the next vote will be in the other direction.

KnoxCatLady's picture

2+

I have to agree with Rachel. Much of what was said was patently ridiculous.

sobi's picture

With all due respect,...

...can you be more specific?

Danny's picture

Disappointing

Whether you are for or against this, its pretty evident that not everyone is on the same page. I kind of feel like this project was rammed down the throats of South Knoxvillians and the city of Knoxville as a whole. When you are voting to allot the amount of money that they were voting to allot, I think there needs to be a unified stance on it. I was disappointed in the 5 that voted yes, and its funny to me that of those five, only one (Daniel Brown) is not term-limited.

Like many of you, I did not really know exactly what the 10 Year Plan was up until recently, and that is also shameful when you are talking about a project of this magnitude.

Rick H.'s picture

2 hours of lies. I will never

2 hours of lies. I will never vote for Haslam or any of the lying five again. They said it would cost Knoxville taxpayers zero dollars. That is a lie. Just the case managers alone for VMC would be two million dollars a year for a thousand homeless. They said the Fed's would pay for it all.

Care you imagine what Bill Haslam would do to Tencare? I can't believe I trusted him.

JHayes's picture

Flenniken

I came out of my hole to speak on this. I was very ashamed at what I saw last night on council. It is odd to me that 5 of the 6 elected members (Roddy, Woodhull, Bailey, Becker, and Mayor Haslam) that were in support of this last night have all been on council, or in office, for the entire duration of the 10 Year Plan thus far. What else is interesting to me, is the one who did vote in favor of it, of all of the newbies, Dan Brown, did not hardly speak at all during the long deliberation period. As a resident of the sixth district, I was personally disappointed in Mr. Brown.

The 10 Year Plan, imo, has already been defeated in west knox, and every time one attempts to get setup out there, I believe it will happen again and again, thus setting up more of these in the 1st and 6th Districts. I ultimately believe this is what is going to be the major outcome of the 10 Year Plan.

Last, I think being completely reliant on federal funds is just a disaster waiting to happen. I do not know how this project will stay funded over the long haul without it costing the citizens of Knox County.

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