| Senate Bill (approved 219-212): Roe (R-1) N |
Reconciliation (approved 220-211): Roe (R-1) N |
UPDATE: National Journal Hotline takes a look Behind The Numbers at Democrats who voted against the bill and how their districts lean. They also note that Republicans are targeting seventeen courageous Democrats who put their seats on the line by voting yes despite being in conservative leaning districts.
In my opinion, Democrats (like Lincoln Davis) who say they voted against the bill because it was the will of their constituents haven't done a very good job of educating their constituents. Or maybe they should just change parties.
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Cooper?
Maybe I should know this, but I don't:
What was Cooper's consideration, that he voted "yes" on the Senate bill, but "no" on the reconciliation?
(Thanks.)
Congressman Jim Cooper -
Congressman Jim Cooper - COOPER VOTES FOR GREATER COST SAVINGS:
Question on new Medicare tax(es)
Is this the allusion I've been reading to new taxes on "incomes over $200K (or was it $250K)?"
If so, why did the bill's sponsors/amenders choose to begin taxing unearned income to support Medicare, rather than simply raising that cap on earned income subject to the Medicare payroll tax? Because they imagined that taxing this unearned income would cause those higher up the income ladder to carry the larger funding burden, maybe?
Or does the new tax possibly raise that cap on earned income subject to the tax AND begin taxing unearned income?
(I don't mean to appear too lazy to research my own questions--I'm just too busy to right now! If you know, thanks!)
Lincoln Davis
It is unlikely that Lincoln Davis will ever provide a cogent reason for voting no on healthcare reform. The major blue dog objections were nullified, because the CBO says the bill will reduce the deficit over 10 years, and the anti-abortion provisions were strengthened. The insurance industry was mollified by adding to its rolls without much cost control on premiums. Millions of distressed Americans will receive some relief. So what's left? All I can think of is that he votes the GOP party line, against all reason.
The bill raises the medicare
The bill raises the medicare "payroll" tax by 0.9% on income over $200,000 for individuals or $250,000 for married filing jointly.
It also extends the Medicare tax to income from investments such as interest and dividends for individuals with income over $200,000 or $250,000 if married filing jointly.
It is not clear if the new tax on "unearned income" will also apply to capital gains.
Medicare payroll tax
Randy said:
This is stumping me, since the cap on wages subject to payroll tax withholding for Medicare is presently $106,800.
It isn't clear to me whether wages between $106,800 and $200,000 are also to become subject to payroll tax withholding for Medicare?
And if wages in that middle bracket are NOT to become subject to payroll tax withholding for Medicare, what is the rationale to tax the little guy earning less than $106,800 AND to tax the big dog earning over $200,000 but to exempt this middle group altogether?
Also, how is this new Medicare tax to be collected? Not through payroll deduction, apparently, since it wouldn't seem possible for one's employer to collect all this info concerning each employee's joint income and preferred method of tax filing (individual vs. joint) on the front end, to enable the routine payroll deduction.
It would seem that the tax differential is to be collected through filers' year-end tax returns, then?
But still, this question about filers whose incomes fall between $106,800 and $200,000? What am I missing here?
Per the IRS Circular E:
(link...)
Capital gains now subject to (higher) Medicare tax
CNN Money says "yes:"
"What qualifies as investment income, also known as "unearned income"? Capital gains, dividends, interest, annuities, royalties and rents are some examples. Any investment income that had previously been characterized as "tax exempt" would not be subject to the new tax, however."
This cavaet applies, though:
"But because of how the proposal is structured, you might not owe the 3.8% tax on all your investment income. Here's why: the tax would apply to whichever is less -- your investment income or the amount that your modified adjusted gross income (AGI) exceeds the high-income threshold."
"Say you have $50,000 more in modified AGI than the threshold. If your investment income exceeds that amount, you would only owe the 3.8% tax on $50,000."
(link...)
This reference to tax filers modified AGI, then, does seem to indicate that the new taxes on both earned and unearned income will be collected through filers' year end returns. No new payroll deduction is to be enacted to collect the tax on earned income.
I would think this point is relevant, since it impacts the point in time at which the new tax revenue will actually be received by the feds? That 2013 implementation date therefore becomes 2014, for purposes of the collection date? And CNNMoney says this tax is the "biggest single revenue raiser" used to fund the reform?
Still reading that article to search for answers to my other questions...
I give up...Stan?
I asked...
...but I don't find any answer in the CNNMoney story, nor in any other news article. Everything I've read seems to indicate that the new Medicare tax imposes "higher" taxes on persons earning over $200K, as if they had paid some amount of Medicare tax all along?
But people earning over $200K (or even earning over that $106K) were never subject to any payroll tax for Medicare before. Did they possibly pay a Medicare tax at year end, through their annual returns, prior to this?
My household doesn't fall in this income range and it's been 20+ years since I prepared tax returns for others. Where's Stan when we need him?
There is no salary cap for
There is no salary cap for the Medicare tax, only for the Social Security tax. All wages are taxed the Medicare tax.
The IRS rule you referred to
The IRS rule you referred to is Social Security, not Medicare payroll tax. There is no cap on Medicare payroll tax as far as I know. (We should do the same thing for Social Security, but that's another discussion).
The tax on earnings will be collected through withholding just like it is now.
I presume for interest and other income it will be reported by way of 1099s just like it is now. The financial or other paying institution has to track the amounts and there is a mechanism for "backup withholding" unless you file a W9 claiming exemption, in which case you report it on your 1040 and pay the tax. Most people are exempt unless the IRS has notified them otherwise because they are caught not reporting unearned income.
If capital gains are taxed, presumably it will be by way of 1040 Schedule D where capital gains are reported. There is no withholding, you just pay the tax.
Here's what the bill says about investment income:
IN GENERAL.—The term ‘net investment income’ means the excess (if any) of—
(A) the sum of—
(i) gross income from interest, dividends, annuities, royalties, and rents, other than such income which is derived in the ordinary course of a trade or business not described in paragraph (2),
(ii) other gross income derived from a trade or business described in paragraph (2), and
(iii) net gain (to the extent taken into account in computing taxable income) attributable to the disposition of property
other than property held in a trade or business not described in paragraph (2),over
(B) the deductions allowed by this title which are properly allocable to such gross income or net gain.
This appears to say capital gains are subject to the tax.
I knew that!
I just highlighted the wrong IRS rule (for SS), couldn't cease examining it, and still couldn't see that it wasn't the rule I needed (for Medicare)! Good grief.
Yes, the IRS rule applicable to the Medicare tax base appears lower on that same page, and, per your and Bizgrrl's posts, no cap applies to collection of the Medicare payroll tax.
And yes, it appears that the tax increase applicable to earned income does begin "flowing" immediately via payroll deduction, such that it will be collected in 2013, not 2014.
And that comparison between modified AGI and total unearned income is then made at year end to determine the lesser income base (modified AGI over the threshold or total unearned income) that is to be taxed at the new rate applicable to unearned income.
In any event, my original intention here was to look at WHO the tax increase would apply to, not HOW it would be collected! The rationale concerning WHO now makes sense.
Please carry on--on the subject of "How they voted." :-)