I was wrong..I thought we would get a health care reform bill passed this fall.

But with just a few short days till fall ends & winter begins..thats not going to happen.

I'm hopeful that the Senate will pass a health care reform bill before the holiday break.

That means both Houses of congress have passed a reform bill & the bill will go to conference in January.

My question is,if this bill fails,when will we be this close to passing a heath care reform bill that the the President can sign into law?

Senator Edward M.Kennedy said:

"Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."

My question is,if we do not support the bill & the bill does not pass will we be guilty of allowing "the perfect to be the enemy of the good." on the issue of health care reform.

There won't likely be any sweeping reform such as HR676 in my lifetime and I'm all for incremental changes to improve what we have.

The way this bill started out weak and is now being made even weaker in the Senate, however, may be worse than what we have now. The insurance companies appear to be the only winners, with the government forcing you or your employer to buy their product. It will guarantee their stranglehold on health care for another generation, and make any future incremental reforms impossible.

If progressives can't get it done with a Dem in the White House and a majority in the House and Senate I suppose the inertia is too great and it's just not going to happen.

After 8 years of the Cheney-Bush fiasco, I thought anything calling itself a Democrat was worth voting for. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi and company have proven me wrong once again.

This isn't a case of the perfect vs. the good. The good (single payer) was carefully kept off the table, and now the awful has prevailed in the Senate. The Senate plan should be scrapped, and whatever pieces of the House version that can be salvaged should be pushed through the Senate via reconciliation.

Of course, that won't happen. The Dems will pass this monstrosity, providing a huge benefit to their insurance-company benefactors, and the public will suffer trying to afford the payments to profit-driven insurance, which was the root of the problem to begin with.

Meanwhile, Obama commits even more American lives and treasure to build Chevron a pipeline through Afghanistan.

We live in a failed state; there's no other logical conclusion.

"I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems scary and weird. It'll happen to you." —Abraham Simpson

Tbogg on Twitter:

We're were promised a date with a health care supermodel and now we are asked to settle for a handjob from her doorman.

Don’t buy Democrats’ lame excuses for not doing everything they can to get the best bill possible. Just because they don’t want to pass a good health care reform bill using reconciliation doesn’t mean they couldn’t.

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Drop the fatalism and put on the pressure to do something that would clearly work.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher) "X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

Bernie Sanders heroically attempted to include an amendment that is essentially HR676 (Universal National Health Insurance via Medicare for all and abolishing private insurance) into the Senate bill for a symbolic vote. Republicans wouldn't even allow that.