Submitted by R. Neal on Tue, 2009/12/01 - 1:33pm

What: Public meeting re. Henley Street Bridge project
When: Tuesday, December 8, 2009 - 6:00pm
Where: Graystone Presbyterian Church, 139 Woodlawn Pike

The City of Knoxville will hold a public meeting to discuss the status of the Henley Street Bridge project at 6 p.m., Tuesday, Dec. 8, at Graystone Presbyterian Church located at 139 Woodlawn Pike.

The City's chief traffic engineer will present a project overview and TDOT officials will be on hand to answer questions. According to a press release, major repairs could require closing the bridge for up to three years.

More details from the press release about the project and the public meeting...

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John Hunter, chief traffic engineer for the City of Knoxville, will provide an overview of the project. Officials of the Tennessee Department of Transportation (TDOT) will be on hand to answer questions.

Representatives of nine South Knoxville neighborhood groups requested the meeting primarily to learn about and provide input to TDOT’s plans for traffic mitigation measures during the time the bridge is closed for a major rebuild.

The five-lane bridge, built in 1930, is due for extensive repairs. The entire deck has to be replaced, along with the supports leading from the arches to the deck.

So far -- in part because funding is still uncertain – no dates have been announced for requesting bids for rebuilding the bridge and awarding a contract. Until those dates are known, TDOT says it cannot estimate when the bridge will be closed. Once it does close, the bridge could be out of commission for as long as 28-36 months.

Henley Street Bridge carried an average of 38,813 vehicles per day in 2008, according to TDOT. Some traffic will divert to the Gay Street and Alcoa Highway bridges, but most traffic likely will follow a detour that includes James White Parkway, the South Knoxville Bridge, Sevierville Pike, and E. Moody Avenue.

Neighborhood groups asking for the meeting include those from the Colonial Village, Island Home Park, Lake Forest, Lindbergh Forest, Old Sevier, South Haven, South Woodlawn, Southside Riverfront, and Vestal neighborhoods.

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Hayduke's picture

Henley Bridge

There is no "Henley Street Bridge."

metulj's picture

It is the Henley Bridge.

It is the Henley Bridge. Hayduke is correct.

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Rachel's picture

Yup - street named after

Yup - street named after bridge, not the other way around.

Where did the press release come from? The south Knox neighborhoods have been pretty careful about saying Henley Bridge.

R. Neal's picture

The press release is from

The press release is from The City of Knoxville, David Massey, Neighborhood Coordinator, 865-215-3232.

For what it's worth, my family moved to Sevier Ave. in South Knoxville in 1955 when I was about six months old. We and everyone we knew called it the Henley St. bridge. It was the one just down the river from the Gay St. bridge.

But y'all can call it whatever you want, and should probably skip this meeting because it's apparently about a different project than the one you're thinking of.

P.S. I guess there's no Alcoa Highway bridge, either. It's the Buck Karnes bridge. So not sure where they are talking about diverting traffic to.

bizgrrl's picture

Yeah, I was born and raised

Yeah, I was born and raised in K-Town. We always called it the Henley Street Bridge. I think people like to change the names of things for some reason. It's like people calling Fort Loudon Lake, Lake Loudon. Sounds much better doesn't it.

Either way, it sounds like there will be no bridge across the river at Chapman Hwy for three years. Yowza. It should be interesting to see the detour. I'm guessing they'll have to detour to that there South Knoxville Bridge. What do they call it? Everyone will be so thankful it was built along with that nasty road that destroyed so much of South Knoxville.

Does anyone wonder if the powers that be should have done some work on the Chapman Hwy bridge a long time ago? Maybe if that had happened it would not require a 3 year closing.

metulj's picture

Bridges are like ships. They

Bridges are like ships. They all get named with a plaque. If you walk across the bridge, there is a plaque that says "Henley Bridge." Henley St does not run across the bridge. Chapman Highway ends at the downtown side of the bridge.

This is all just a long running joke among anyone who ever took journalism classes at UT. It was an instant rewrite of an article if you called it the Henley St. Bridge. The name is factually incorrect. ;)

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bizgrrl's picture

It was an instant rewrite of

It was an instant rewrite of an article if you called it the Henley St. Bridge.

Where's the rewrite for the Buck Karnes Bridge?

metulj's picture

Trust me. You went to the

Trust me. You went to the astral plane on the wings of seraphim if you caught that one. Why the hell was Buck Karnes?

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R. Neal's picture

Yeah, I get that. I'm just

Yeah, I get that. I'm just telling you that everybody I know in South Knoxville for 55 years called it the Henley St. Bridge.

If you google you'll also see that the City of Knoxville, the South Waterfront project, MPC, KTrans, TVA, TDOT, and others refer to it as the Henley St. Bridge.

But yeah, I get it. There's a plaque and it's officially the "Henley Bridge."

OK, then.

But anyway, I'm mainly wondering what impact this will have on the few remaining businesses in the dead-zone stretch between the Henley (Street) Bridge and what used to be Moody Ave. where you can get on the James White Parkway or South Knox Blvd. or whatever it's called and go over that bridge whatever it's called. Will people want to use the Gay St. Bridge or will it be too congested?

bizgrrl's picture

Is it the Gay St. Bridge or

Is it the Gay St. Bridge or the Gay Bridge?

metulj's picture

Oh, I am not saying that

Oh, I am not saying that people are wrong. Convention is different from truth. Often it is more trustworthy.

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michael kaplan's picture

The name is factually

The name is factually incorrect

Like Main Street (Main Avenue) or Central Avenue (Central Street). Time, customs and circumstances, though, do have a way of imposing themselves.

Anonymously Nine's picture

...

This is all just a long running joke among anyone who ever took journalism classes at UT.

And we are laughing. You can believe that.

Ah yes, the literati. Words have meaning.

And yet, journalist mangle words worse than Bill Clinton.

bizgrrl's picture

Buck Karnes.

metulj's picture

I didn't know that. Very

I didn't know that. Very interesting. I am not a military history buff, but Tennessee seemed to fight above its weight in WWI.

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R. Neal's picture

Yeah, I always wondered who

Yeah, I always wondered who Buck Karnes was. Never thought to, you know, look it up.

Brian A.'s picture

Three years is a long

Three years is a long time.

If they detonated the thing and literally "rebuilt" the bridge, how long would that take?

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

michael kaplan's picture

Yeah, they could do a new

Yeah, they could do a new one in "post-modern" style, like the stage pavilion at Market Square ..

Or, worse, a "modern" bridge, like the architect-designed monster on I-65 at Columbus, Indiana, the infamous "bridge to nowhere."

R. Neal's picture

The environmental impact

The environmental impact study and public hearings would probably take three years.

R. Neal's picture

Here's a photo of the plaque

Here's a photo of the plaque and some facts and history. According to the plaque, it was built in two years in 1930-1931.

(The entry is called the "Henley Street Bridge.")

metulj's picture

But Henley Street does not

But Henley Street does not cross it.

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Brian A.'s picture

So, apparently, it took one

So, apparently, it took one year to originally build.

Stuff like this makes me wonder how it was possible for us to ever create a national park or win a world war in just a few years.

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

Up Goose Creek's picture

Incentives

How about a litle less nitpicking about the name and a little more brainstorming about how to get incentives for early completion.

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metulj's picture

How about understanding that

How about understanding that there is an inside joke about how politics gets done around here in the nitpicking?

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Andy Axel's picture

Is there a Henley Rail

Is there a Henley Rail Bridge anywhere? (I'm wondering if there was a distinction to be drawn between a "street bridge" and a "rail bridge," anyway. Think "inkpen" versus "pen.")

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Brian A.'s picture

Re-Routing

What's going to be the route to move traffic from the Western Ave./Cumberland Ave. area over to the James White Parkway?

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

michael kaplan's picture

it's called Wayfinding

it's called Wayfinding

Wayfinding means knowing where you are, knowing your destination, following the best route, recognizing your destination, and finding your way back. When people cannot do these things, outside or inside, we say they are disoriented. Since disorientation has significant negative consequences, both for individuals and for the organizations that serve them, easy navigation benefits everyone.

SnM's picture

snarking sick

Henley to Become 'Bridge to Nowhere' (Part I)
You can't get there from here on "nowhere bridge"


From APB reports.
KNOXVILLE - The City of Knoxville will hold a public meeting at a time to be determined at a location yet to be revealed to discuss the closing of the Henley Bridge at some undefined point in the future.

The City's chief traffic engineer will present a project overview and recommendations on how travelers to and from South Knoxville deal with any "minor inconveniences" arising from closing for 3 years the main traffic artery to south Knox County. Officials of the Transferring of Dinero to the Order of Thoroughfare Constructors (TDOTC) group also will be on hand to obfuscate questions.

Rod Hodster, chief traffic engineer for the City of Knoxville, will provide the project overview as well as his recommendations for not getting there from here anymore. Among his recommendations is a proposal that "the area of South Knox severe all ties with the rest of Knoxville proper, declare itself an independent territory and threaten to protect itself by force from any encroachments on its sovereignty, examples of which include finger annexations and so-called representation on Knox County Commission."

The Henley Bridge carried an average 38,813 vehicles per day in 2008 over Fort Loudoun Lake, according to the city. Traffic will be diverted to the areas like Far Rockaway and Timbuktu, but most traffic will just turn around and go back where it came from rather than risk not getting there from here.

Representatives of nine South Knoxville neighborhood groups requested the meeting primarily to make a few perfunctory requests that TDOTC representatives explained are impossible to meet. The neighborhood groups then sighed in resignation as TDOTC revealed its plans for not getting there from here during the 3 years the bridge is closed.

As Travers Brickwall, TDOTC regional spokesperson, put it, "We build things that get people from place A to place B, and people from place B to place A, but people at place C - which is where the thing between places A and B will be built - aren't our concern, nor is how 'A' and 'B' people get there from here while we're building the thing..."

Part II:
http://blogs.knoxnews.com/knx/mcnutt/2009/12/henley-to-become-bridge-to-...

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