Thu
Sep 3 2009
02:56 pm

source: Politico 9/1

Please insist here before Wednesday, 9/9 when President Obama will address a joint session of Congress to lay out some specifics for health care legislation. Also,

A new web site has compiled a list of hard-to-get e-mail addresses — including addresses for Members of Congress and top Congressional staff — and is allowing the general public access to the list to send messages to this select group about the Democratic health care bill.

source: Roll Call, 9/1

R. Neal's picture

"The confrontation would

"The confrontation would allow Obama to show he is willing to stare down his own party to get things done."

Swell. When will he be willing to stare down the other party to get actual things done?

gonzone's picture

Exactly

So is he afraid the GOP will leave the Dems out there to whore to the corporations all by themselves?

What about the people?

What about "the ones what brung you to the dance"?

This could lose the Dems an entire generation of young people.

If not public option, then single payer universal health care! Got that dammit?

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

Rigsby Werner's picture

Sounds like the annointed one is meeting reality

I wonder if any of those Democratic votes are rethinking their Obama vote for what could have been a Hillary vote?

It will be interesting to see how the talk goes before Congress, the biggest problem with healthcare is not the availability or the quality of available healthcare, it's the cost, costs which cannot be contained by socializing the business, costs which cannot be contained by driving the insurance industry out of business.

It's time for Obama to lead if he can and quit trying to control everything.

He lost me when he selected Joe Armstrong to help him sell healthcare reform as opposed to Phil Bredesen who was in the healthcare business before he got into politics.

Virgil Proudfoot's picture

Socializing is the ONLY way to control costs

Rigsby Werner:
"the biggest problem with healthcare is not the availability or the quality of available healthcare, it's the cost, costs which cannot be contained by socializing the business, costs which cannot be contained by driving the insurance industry out of business"

You are 100 percent wrong. Socializing health insurance is the ONLY way to reduce the cost. Look at all the countries that have already done it; they all pay far less per person than we do, cover everyone, and have better outcomes.

Too bad Obama never even attempted to propose single-payer.

KonaCare's picture

:)

"Too bad Obama never even attempted to propose single-payer."

Yes it is, very sad.
And it's absolutely correct that socialization is the only effective means of driving down industry costs.

There's nothing I hate to see more than Obama sounding like he has no spine. But there may be more to it than we see.
No telling what games are being played, but truth is, Obama doesn't need to "insist" on a public option for us to get one.
He just needs to not veto it. And he won't.

The progressive caucus has dug in and thus far swear they will not budge. I feel confident they will accomplish their goals. Our goals.

Obama cannot afford to lose this battle. His presidency will be impotent from that moment on.
I feel good about it, I really do. And I'm one of the most negative people on earth.
;)

Petition gladly signed.
We will win this.

R. Neal's picture

Kona, it's funny that I seem

Kona, it's funny that I seem to recall that some of us here took a lot of heat (and worse) from you and others for supporting Hillary early on during the primary. And yet, look at what Hillary's health care plan said:

Clinton: Health Care 2.0

Hillary Clinton will unveil her plan for universal health coverage in Iowa today. According to the Associated Press, the plan will cost about $110 billion per year and includes the following:

• Requires all individuals to purchase health insurance

• Businesses must offer health insurance to all employees or contribute to a government-run pool

• A small business tax subsidy to offset the cost of providing coverage

• Medicare and the federal employee health insurance plan would be opened up to those who can't get insurance through an employer
The plan would be funded by ending Bush tax cuts for those making more than $250K.

Sound familiar? I wanted single payer and didn't think much of this plan (or any of the other Democratic candidate's plans except Kucinich's) at the time.

And Clinton's went further than what Obama was willing to do during the primary (he didn't want insurance to be mandatory).

But all of them were better than a sharp stick in the eye. Now we are fighting tooth and nail for some remnant of something resembling Hillary's plan. Look at what we are reduced to fighting for. It's a disgrace.

Go figure.

(And I'm not complaining that Obama is our president. I supported him and still do. Maybe if he had more support he wouldn't have to be triangulating.)

Stick's picture

I'm on it.

I'm on it.

KC's picture

Pres. Obama can only do what

Pres. Obama can only do what Congress will pass.

If the Democrats can't pass it, or won't vote for it, Obama himself can't get it done.

The problem is with the Democrats in Congress, not the one in the White House. A Tip O'Neill or Ted Kennedy could get it done, but what's up there now....

There is a "compromise" proposal to stop insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, but then have them accountable to federal rather than state laws, as they are now.
(link...)

This is a trap. The insurance companies have long been pushing to be regulated by federal rather than state laws. Three years ago the American Diabetes Association fought to keep legislation from being passed that would have put the insurance companies under federal rather than state regulation.

A law that puts insurance companies under federal rather than state regulations would make consumers more powerless, not more powerful.

The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present.
President Abraham Lincoln 1862

EricLykins's picture

Single Payer

Single payer advocates at The Pen are getting pissed and have sent out this "what the hell is wrong with you people?" email:

Folks, we really need to have a talk. When you hear lunatic talk out
there (mostly trial balloons really) like Congress doesn't even think
it can pass a weak joke of a public option, there is only one reason.
None of us are doing enough to speak out. We need more people to call
their members of Congress. We need more people out there wearing
their "Single Payer Health Care" caps. It's just that simple, we MUST
speak out to win.

Again, here is the link to our phone lobby page on HR 676

HR 676 Phone Lobby Resource:
(link...)

If you want to know why we are not YET winning this fight, take a
look at this page and hang your head in shame. We have done at least
two alerts on this to our distribution list of hundreds of THOUSANDS
of progressive activists. And yet in our own state of California we
count a grand total of 50 calls made and logged to our two U.S.
Senators combined this entire month. We asked you to make ONE call
this month and you have failed us, and you have failed yourselves.
Response in other states was just about as pathetic. But every day is
a new chance to change our lives forever, and don't you ever forget
it.

Do you people mean this as a joke??? We can't even describe to you
the gargantuan amount of work it took to create this new interface,
which empowers you to log notes of your actual calls to members of
Congress, as a public record of the actual calls they are getting. We
have easy links on the same page to put all their local district
office phone numbers at your finger tips. Easy policy points to make
on the phone as to why single payer is what we must demand. Reference
links to back everything up. And all you have to do is USE IT.

HR 676 Phone Lobby Resource:
(link...)

Do you not understand that the so-called "public option" is designed
to rip you off PERSONALLY to the tune of something like five to ten
thousand dollars a year? Just like enforced car insurance in various
states, where you have NO CHOICE but to cough up the money, now they
want to force you to buy the same medical insurance scam you can't
afford now, with some kind of silly new bureaucratic co-op or
something designed to be a "no better" alternative. Members of
Congress themselves admit that none of these "not single payer" plans
will save us a dime. But without our voices they will just plow ahead
and implement the worst policy imaginable.

That's right, they want to gouge you for five to ten grand a year,
without saving the American public a damn dime. Your money, FIVE TO
TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS, every year, no choice. Is that enough to get
you to pick up the phone one time and make a local telephone call to
the district offices of your members of Congress?? Maybe you are
making phone calls in some other way WITHOUT leaving a trace of your
activism. But all we know is that we are not doing enough, none of
us, and it's a disgrace. C'mon people, get it together.

Our other leadership type activist friends tell us don't send out an
email like this. Just make people feel good they say. Well, damn it,
last time we checked you were not on this distribution list just to
get a feel good stroke job. You are on this list because you want
someone to tell you the TRUTH. And the truth is, you need to pick up
the phone right now and make your voice heard for single payer, or
you are going to have the IRS banging on your door demanding five to
ten thousand dollars a year ransom for the same medical insurance
corporations who are ripping us off now. That's every year from now
on for the rest of your less than adequate medical care life. No
choice, just cough it up.

And that's the truth.

And yes, you can also respond to this action through the new Twitter
gateway. Just send the following Twitter reply, and add any personal
comment you like.

@cxs #p998

And if you want a step by step explanation of how to set up the
Twitter thing here is the link for that.

Twitter Activism Step-By-Step: (link...)

Please take action NOW, so we can win all victories that are supposed
to be ours, and forward this alert as widely as possible.

If you would like to get alerts like these, you can do so at
(link...)

Or if you want to cease receiving our messages, just use the function
at (link...)

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