Thu
Sep 3 2009
02:56 pm
source: Politico 9/1
Please insist here before Wednesday, 9/9 when President Obama will address a joint session of Congress to lay out some specifics for health care legislation. Also,
A new web site has compiled a list of hard-to-get e-mail addresses — including addresses for Members of Congress and top Congressional staff — and is allowing the general public access to the list to send messages to this select group about the Democratic health care bill.
source: Roll Call, 9/1
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"The confrontation would
"The confrontation would allow Obama to show he is willing to stare down his own party to get things done."
Swell. When will he be willing to stare down the other party to get actual things done?
Exactly
So is he afraid the GOP will leave the Dems out there to whore to the corporations all by themselves?
What about the people?
What about "the ones what brung you to the dance"?
This could lose the Dems an entire generation of young people.
If not public option, then single payer universal health care! Got that dammit?
"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"
Sounds like the annointed one is meeting reality
I wonder if any of those Democratic votes are rethinking their Obama vote for what could have been a Hillary vote?
It will be interesting to see how the talk goes before Congress, the biggest problem with healthcare is not the availability or the quality of available healthcare, it's the cost, costs which cannot be contained by socializing the business, costs which cannot be contained by driving the insurance industry out of business.
It's time for Obama to lead if he can and quit trying to control everything.
He lost me when he selected Joe Armstrong to help him sell healthcare reform as opposed to Phil Bredesen who was in the healthcare business before he got into politics.
Socializing is the ONLY way to control costs
Rigsby Werner:
"the biggest problem with healthcare is not the availability or the quality of available healthcare, it's the cost, costs which cannot be contained by socializing the business, costs which cannot be contained by driving the insurance industry out of business"
You are 100 percent wrong. Socializing health insurance is the ONLY way to reduce the cost. Look at all the countries that have already done it; they all pay far less per person than we do, cover everyone, and have better outcomes.
Too bad Obama never even attempted to propose single-payer.
:)
"Too bad Obama never even attempted to propose single-payer."
Yes it is, very sad.
And it's absolutely correct that socialization is the only effective means of driving down industry costs.
There's nothing I hate to see more than Obama sounding like he has no spine. But there may be more to it than we see.
No telling what games are being played, but truth is, Obama doesn't need to "insist" on a public option for us to get one.
He just needs to not veto it. And he won't.
The progressive caucus has dug in and thus far swear they will not budge. I feel confident they will accomplish their goals. Our goals.
Obama cannot afford to lose this battle. His presidency will be impotent from that moment on.
I feel good about it, I really do. And I'm one of the most negative people on earth.
;)
Petition gladly signed.
We will win this.
Kona, it's funny that I seem
Kona, it's funny that I seem to recall that some of us here took a lot of heat (and worse) from you and others for supporting Hillary early on during the primary. And yet, look at what Hillary's health care plan said:
Clinton: Health Care 2.0
Sound familiar? I wanted single payer and didn't think much of this plan (or any of the other Democratic candidate's plans except Kucinich's) at the time.
And Clinton's went further than what Obama was willing to do during the primary (he didn't want insurance to be mandatory).
But all of them were better than a sharp stick in the eye. Now we are fighting tooth and nail for some remnant of something resembling Hillary's plan. Look at what we are reduced to fighting for. It's a disgrace.
Go figure.
(And I'm not complaining that Obama is our president. I supported him and still do. Maybe if he had more support he wouldn't have to be triangulating.)
I'm on it.
I'm on it.
Pres. Obama can only do what
Pres. Obama can only do what Congress will pass.
If the Democrats can't pass it, or won't vote for it, Obama himself can't get it done.
The problem is with the Democrats in Congress, not the one in the White House. A Tip O'Neill or Ted Kennedy could get it done, but what's up there now....
There is a "compromise" proposal to stop insurance companies from denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, but then have them accountable to federal rather than state laws, as they are now.
(link...)
This is a trap. The insurance companies have long been pushing to be regulated by federal rather than state laws. Three years ago the American Diabetes Association fought to keep legislation from being passed that would have put the insurance companies under federal rather than state regulation.
A law that puts insurance companies under federal rather than state regulations would make consumers more powerless, not more powerful.
The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present.
President Abraham Lincoln 1862
Single Payer
Single payer advocates at The Pen are getting pissed and have sent out this "what the hell is wrong with you people?" email: