5 August 1964 was a Wednesday.

I don't think people want to ring up WNOX and tell them we can't read a calendar.

Laughable attempt at debunking. "Christian name" was standard use in British colonies. It means given name. British colonial administrators in areas with Muslim populations darn well sure did use "Christian name" on their forms. Mombasa was operationally and administratively part of what became Kenya and had been for decades. In name only (nominally) it was under the sovereignty of the Sultan of Zanzibar. The minor hospital name variations are normal, both over time and at any given time a hospital can have more than one official/common/abbreviated name on different forms and documents. The claim that Obama senior's age is incorrect rests on an idiot misreading the numeral on he photograph and running with it. The document is correct on that issue. THere's no possible way to judge the age of paper from an internet photograph.

If this is the best "debunking" evidence the debunkers have, they don't have any evidence whatsoever.

I have no idea whether the document is authentic. No one can know until the original paper copy is studied forensically and until the data on it are compared with the original registry or authentic back up registries, either in Kenya or in the archives of colonial records that might be located elsewhere.

But what is clear that none of the common "gotcha" debunking arguments hold water. Either a forger did his homework very well and avoided the sort of errors these foolish debunkers say he made or the document is genuine.

THe 9th of Aug. in 1961 was a Wednesday.

The 5th was a Saturday. It is perfectly reasonable for a Friday birth to be registered at the hospital on a Saturday but then recorded at the bureaucratic center on the next Wednesday. In much of Europe, Saturday is a half-school day; Saturday was a full or half working day for much of the developed world until not too long before 1960 and in 1961 in Kenya, it may well have been a half-day for office work. The sloppiness of this "debunking" is breathtaking.

Metulj, I'm not sure you realize that your brother can't be president, according to the US constitution. Neither can Arnold Schwartzenegger or Jennifer Grandholm, for better or worse.

The argument for McCain is he was born on a military base. Not sure if he was born in the canal zone but that would have been a US territory at the time.

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There MUST be a pony in here somewhere!

Dear God, make it stop!

As I understand it, the Supreme Court has never ruled on exactly what "natural born citizen" means. Most constitutional scholars take it to mean as opposed to naturalized citizens. After all, the Constitution does NOT say "born in the United States."

That is, anyone born with American citizenship, no matter where they are born, is a natural born citizen.

Obama's mother was a citizen. That makes him one too.

And yes, metulji's brother can be president.

Want to know which rock these birther buffoons crawled out from under?

The KKK and company.

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

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What’s more likely — that two Kenyan bureaucrats shared last names with two Australian bureaucrats, and that the numbers on both certificates were identical?

IDIOT!

.. registered on the exact same book page in two countries 1000s of miles apart.

Veritas. You can't argue with trolls...and if you shine the light on them they just turn into rocks, and arguing with stones is a waste of time.

Time for Pie.

All-American Apple Pie from VegCooking.com

For the Crust:
2 cups unbleached all-purpose flour
1 tsp. salt
1/4 cup cold water
3/4 cup solid vegetable shortening

For the Filling:
1 3/4 lbs. Golden Delicious apples, thinly sliced
1 3/4 lbs. Granny Smith apples, thinly sliced
3/4 cup sugar
1 tsp. fresh lemon juice
1/2 tsp. vanilla extract
1/2 tsp. ground cinnamon
1 Tbsp. unbleached flour

3 Tbsp. Earth Balance margarine, diced
1 Tbsp. soy milk
1 Tbsp. Florida Crystals sugar
Large pinch of ground cinnamon

For the Crust:
• In a bowl, combine the flour and the salt. Mix the water with 1/3 cup of the flour mixture to make a paste. Set aside.
• With a pastry cutter or a fork, cut the vegetable shortening into the remaining flour mixture until the texture is “pebbly.” Add the paste and mix well. Shape into a ball and divide into 2 parts.
• Lightly flour a clean countertop and rolling pin. Roll 1 portion of the dough at a time. Roll from the center out, lifting the roller at the end of the dough (rather than rolling back and forth). Roll to a 1/8-inch thickness.
• Have an 8- or 9-inch pie pan ready. The rolled dough should be at least 2 inches larger than your pie pan. Loosen from the rolling surface, fold in half, and place in the center of the pie pan. Unfold and gently work into the pan, pressing lightly. Trim any excess dough with a knife.

For the Filling:
• Preheat the oven to 400°F.
• In a large bowl, combine the apples, sugar, lemon juice, vanilla extract, and cinnamon. Let stand for approximately 15 minutes, or until juices form. Add the flour and mix.

To Assemble:
• Spoon the filling into the bottom crust and dot with margarine.
• Roll out the second ball of dough to form a 13-inch round circle. Drape over the filling.
• Seal the top and bottom crust edges together and trim any excess dough, leaving a 1/2-inch overhang. Fold under and crimp decoratively with a greased fork.
• Brush the pie with the soy milk. Combine the sugar and the cinnamon in a small bowl and sprinkle over the pie.
• Transfer to a baking sheet and place in the oven.
• Immediately reduce the temperature to 375°F. Bake for approximately 2 hours, or until the crust is golden brown, the apples are tender, and the filling is thick and bubbling. If the edges are browning too quickly, cover with foil.
• Serve warm or at room temperature.

Makes 8 servings

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"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"
"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali

Please God make it stop!

I don't want to be the one behind the curtain doing the looking, but somebody needs to check old Orly's God given parts. I am betting "male" not female.

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The 14th amendment has NOTHING to do with Natural Born Citizenship. Also, citizenship at birth does not mean NBC status. The true meaning of NBC can be found in the Law of Nations, which was used by the framers as a source document in drafting the constitution. This is a historical fact and can be verified in the Federalist Papers, writings of Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and others. Natural Born Citizen as defined in Law of Nations clearly states both parents must be U.S. Citizens AND born on U.S. Soil. It also clearly states that the citizenship of the father is also that of the child - citizenship is INHERITED through the father. Barack Obama MAY BE a U.S. Citizen. However, regardless of where he was born, he IS NOT a NBC. It is just that simple.

Is this really where the conversation is going next?