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Aug 2 2009
05:10 pm

Candidates sound off at Republican picnic

Joe Kirkpatrick, a 44-year-old from Mt. Juliet, had a reply for Democrats who've said in the past few years that TennCare needs to be completely overhauled.

"I'm setting the agenda on that issue," he said. "I'm for abolishing TennCare entirely. It's been one of the main strains on the state's budget over the past two decades."

Asked if he believed the program should be phased out or cut out all at once he replied he didn't "believe there is a need for it to be phased out."

"There are only two other states in the country who have their own healthcare program," he said. "The Medicare program is better than TennCare in terms of coverage and is better suited to take care of the people who need that help."

This is hands down the stupidest, most uninformed remark uttered on the Republican goobernutorial campaign trail so far. Even Bill Haslam knows the difference between Medicare and Medicaid. Probably. I guess. Maybe? OK, maybe he ought to study up on it, because he apparently wasn't there to get tripped up by this trick question.

UPDATE: Someone claiming to be Joe Kirkpatrick (referencing his email and posting from a Nashville IP address) responds in comments:

Abolishing Tenncare and putting you on MEDICAID
Submitted by Joe Kirkpatrick (not verified) on Mon, 2009/08/03 - 9:02am.

You sniveling Peter Parker wannabe over there in your spiderman underoos. Since you are likely getting your gas from Pilot for free for doing this hit piece on me, what I really say and said Saturday probably means little to you.

Why do you not call WSMV for the video? You are such the investigative reporter, not!

I was misquoted more than once by a reporter who does not own a voice recorder. How's that?

So, does it seem like I know the difference, now?

OK, then.

gonzone's picture

heh

goobernutorial.
me likey.
me steal from bubba.

they're a bunch of weiners!

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

Joe Kirkpatrick's picture

Hey bubba...

Your ignorance for believing anything you read in this echo chamber is my bliss.

Rachel's picture

You know, it's possible that

You know, it's possible that this guy just misspoke. It would be pretty easy for Medicare to come out your mouth when you meant Medicaid.

OTOH, it's also completely believable that he doesn't know the difference.

Joe Kirkpatrick's picture

Why yes, it is believable...

...since you do not know me. Yet!

I will do on a shoestring budget what the Mayor cannot do with 20 or 30 million dollars. That is, take a position on issues. I encourage you to read your Constitution. A country is a terrible thing to waste.

It seems to me that Mayor Haslam is an excellent choice for any Democrat who would like Governor Bredesen to have a third term or any Republican who wants Don Sundquist to have a fifth.

I appreciate you at least being somewhat objective in the matter.

Joe Kirkpatrick's picture

Abolishing Tenncare and putting you on MEDICAID

You sniveling Peter Parker wannabe over there in your spiderman underoos. Since you are likely getting your gas from Pilot for free for doing this hit piece on me, what I really say and said Saturday probably means little to you.

Why do you not call WSMV for the video? You are such the investigative reporter, not!

I was misquoted more than once by a reporter who does not own a voice recorder. How's that?

So, does it seem like I know the difference, now?

R. Neal's picture

Thanks for your feedback,

Thanks for your feedback, Joe. The post has been updated with your correction.

Also, regarding your other remark that "There are only two other states in the country who have their own healthcare program," can you clarify that?

According to a Congressional Research Service report to Congress:

Comprehensive demonstrations. These demonstrations provide a broad range of services that are generally offered statewide. Many of the comprehensive waivers operate under combined title XIX and title XXI authority and are financed with federal Medicaid and SCHIP matching funds. Several also include a family planning and/or Health Insurance Flexibility and Accountability (HIFA) component (see below). In FY2008, there were 32 operational comprehensive state reform waivers in 26 states.

States include Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas (two programs), California (two programs), Delaware, Florida (two programs), Hawaii, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Mississippi, Montana, New York (two programs), Oklahoma, Oregon, Rhode Island (two programs), Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont (two programs), Washington, and Wisconsin.

Here's the report:

(link...)

Anyway, I don't necessarily disagree that we should aboloish TennCare. And I agree Medicare is a better program.

So, yes, let's abolish TennCare (and all other forms of Medicaid) and have a single payer national health insurance program based on Medicare.

rikki's picture

If we grant that Kirkpatrick

If we grant that Kirkpatrick meant Medicaid and simply misspoke, he is still wrong. TennCare, for all its flaws, has always been an improvement over Medicaid. Compared to a thoughtfully designed, single-payer system, both TennCare and Medicaid are junk, but we'll never get anything thoughtful out of the ranting ideologues who now constitute the Republican mainstream. They are pretty good at ruining things, however. (see Bush, George W)

Joe Kirkpatrick's picture

More feedback and ...if we grant that...

This is the type of respectable debate to which look forward. Thanks for the observation.

Tenncare, may in fact be better than Medicaid. I am not attempting to argue that point. What I am suggesting is that this state nor any other needs to be in the business of distributing benefits for the indigent.

I addressed this article specifically (see link) in my Murfreesboro speech on Saturday. What I was saying was this... when I gave my first political speech (ever) two weeks earlier in Nashville, I was the first candidate of either party to call for a complete return of the publicly funded portion of our health care system back to the federal government in accordance with the 10th Amendment of the US Constitution and common sense.

The state GOP posted the link to this article. However, I am the only candidate who had already embraced the concept, and I still do. This is what I mean when I said that I am already beginning to have an effect on the debate. Some bloggers may try to position me as some sort of illiterate and degenerate. Try me. See if I can hold up my end of the argument.

To R.Neal: I agree that states participate in Medicaid through unfunded mandates, but those that are or are attempting to manage it alone are very few in number.

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Governor Bredesen said at the National Governor's Conference that the President's plan was potentially "the mother of all unfunded mandates." The purpose of an unfunded mandate as I have grown to understand is what Congress passes when they lack the political courage to raise the revenue themselves. Instead, they foist the burden on to state legislatures and governors which lack the authority to print money to honor their commitments. This is also called "passing the buck."

Tennessee, by law, cannot run a budget deficit, and the Governor, in effect, has the "line-item" veto to cut spending as (s)he sees fit from discretionary programs in order to balance it. The only way we can legally go into debt is to issue bonds, but then, we are faced with servicing that debt, which we observe has not worked out so well for our sister state, California.

While I am not a fan of single-payer, I do join the chorus where it comes to actually leaving the status quo behind. An absence of a plan is presently our plan. I do like the "cooperative" concept that President Obama describes, but as run by DC, it will become nothing more than a state-run oligopoly putting the health insurance industry out of business. We have seen the mess that having only three automakers has done to that business. Yet, he asks us to believe that a myriad of bureaucracies can do a better job.

That thar dog jis' aint gonna hunt, rikki.

I am not from the Republican mainstream. I am suggesting the "cooperative" plan to be run by the state. We could group 2-3 million working Tennesseans into a plan with a menu of 10-15 different plans from which to choose depending upon age, lifestyle, etc. Nobody would be denied coverage, but if a person did not have a matching program at work or are self-employed, they would have to pay 100% of the monthly premium, which I am going to estimate at 4-600 dollars a month depending on the choice.

The insurance industry, of which I am no particular fan, will be salvaged because each state will choose different providers. Another thing we can do to lower the cost of malpractice insurance, which is passed along to us in the end (bahaha -- i said in the end) is to demand that the AMA and TMA regulate their profession more strictly.

Malpractice is a lot like crime. There is a lot of recidivism. These doctors need to be stripped of their licenses much like malicious prosecutors should be disbarred and manufacturing evidence should be criminalized. Today, both actions are rare, indeed. Tort reform is a "straw man" and should not ever be considered. These two positions place me out of the mainstream of GOP thought, the vested interests, and better define me as a civil libertarian.

Further, every employer could offer every plan. So, you may now be asking how do we cover the uninsurable. Well, its like this... if a person with any such preexisting condition(s) wanted to be on the plan they would only have to pay the base premium each month like everyone else. Today, if they could even buy insurance, it would likely run 1500-2000 a month. The state insurance fund would cover the difference.

That is the only welfare component of my plan. It simply rewards those who are willing to sacrifice in order to help themselves. If one is completely unable to support themselves, then, they should be allowed to opt to become or remain wards of our behemoth central government.

The rest of us should live and die with our liberty intact. Of course, those who choose to waive any of their rights to President Obama and the Health Czar should be allowed to void any such agreement in accordance with their free will. Of course, that is not a matter for state government to take up. So, good luck with that one.

Our state simply lacks the resources to do this and would be much better off focusing on things we can control, like say, education.

If you would like to read more about my plan for creating Washington-free schools in Tennessee, please go to my blog and read more:

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rikki's picture

I'm not sure I follow all

I'm not sure I follow all this. It sounds like you want a single-payer program administered by one private insurer, available only to employed Tennesseans, with subsidies for people with pre-existing conditions, and everyone who is unemployed or who earns too little to handle the $4-600 monthly premiums gets dumped on the federal government. Is that a fair summary?

Joe Kirkpatrick's picture

No, I want a private insurance menu of options which...

...will be much more likely to qualify you for that frontal lobe re-attachment you so desperately need.

Andy Axel's picture

I am not from the Republican

I am not from the Republican mainstream.

Fringe it is, then. Fine.

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Joe Kirkpatrick's picture

Extremism in the cause of

Extremism in the cause of liberty is no vice. -- Barry Goldwater

Joe Kirkpatrick's picture

Hypocrite... bahahaha

Do what? Those are some pretty random quotes there, Confuscius.

redmondkr's picture

Should we assume by your

Should we assume by your fondness of a Barry Goldwater quote that you plan to follow his example as soon as your bottom reaches the governor's chair?

As in perhaps your relationship to the LGBT community?

Or do you cling to the winger view that Mr. Goldwater fell and hit his head sometime during his older years?

Or was he correct when he stated the Grand Old Party just made him look liberal because they marched so far to the right?


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Hes got my vote!

Hes got my vote!

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