Tue
Jan 6 2009
09:41 pm

Can someone interpret that article for me?

UPDATE: Here's the full published article, which makes a little more sense, but I'm still not clear if there will be condos, restaurants, and parks or what?

And is M. Conley/Regal still in, or...? (I'm having reading comprehension problems for some reason.)

Up Goose Creek's picture

Land shuffling

Sounds like a bit of land shuffling going on. What's to interpret?

I figure the riverfront park is a prime candidate for Obamanomics. The plans are well on their way and about ready to put shovels in the ground and people to work.

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Rachel's picture

Asked Tuesday if the idea of

Asked Tuesday if the idea of leverage for a sale was in his mind when he announced plans for RiverWalk, Conley said no.

Shorter version: yes.

Longer version: The park and the accompanying riverwalk, as well as adjacent street improvements, are City infastructure projects going forward as the (Mike) Conley private development goes forward. Brian owned some property in the vicinity. He announced plans to do something with it. (Whether anybody actually expected him to follow through is another question). Now he's sold the land at a tidy profit.

bizgrrl's picture

I hope all involved have the

I hope all involved have the stamina to see this project through to the end. This includes government entities with the grand ideas for parks, etc. I hope a need for money does not end up with a decision to ruin the bright future for a, hopefully, nice riverfront project.

earlnemo's picture

Mister Conley clarifies at

Mister Conley clarifies at 3am:

(anyone able to provide a map of these transactions?)

(link...)

"Posted by brianconley on January 7, 2009 at 3:01 a.m.

One point of clarification: With regard to the sell of th property, we dealt with Alvin Nance of KCDC- not Dave Hill. And what we told KCDC was that "If" we sold the portion of the property the city wanted (the property bordering the river), then we would prefer to sell all the property due to the fact that we would not be left with enough to develop.

As I told Josh Flory yesterday, I have no complaints regarding the sell of the land because the administration felt strongly that this was in the city's best interest, and - given the circumstances - we felt the price was fair. However, I find Mr. Hill's quote regarding our eagerness to sell more than a bit perplexing.

We would have preferred to develop the property, and he is well aware of that."

Anonymously Nine's picture

Still, what does it mean?

Still isn't very clear. The City played hardball and screwed up the project? Is that what the double speak means?

In the end the City buys the land at a somewhat high price?

R. Neal's picture

Are condos and parks and

Are condos and parks and restaurants going to be built or not?

Anonymously Nine's picture

Who knows?

Are condos and parks and restaurants going to be built or not?

How can you tell from this article buried in the Business Section safely off the front page?

This wasn't exactly eminent domain, more like powerful meddling. What developer will take a project to built on the river when the City takes the land on the river? At least the Conley's came out whole. [sarc]

KC's picture

Are condos and parks and

Are condos and parks and restaurants going to be built or not?

This is not a rhetorical question, but wouldn't the prospect of this being developed be based on real demand for it all, now more than ever?

Isn't the real estate industry finally accepting the fact that there may be a problem with over capacity and over building?

R. Neal's picture

One would certainly wonder

One would certainly wonder about launching such a project in these economic times, especially given the housing and mortgage situation.

Unfortunately for the developer of this project, it was finished just in time to land in the middle of the perfect storm. Last I heard the developer was bankrupt and the project is in bank receivership and the condos are sitting there empty.

It sure sounds like a risky proposition right now, and you also have to wonder about how a developer would go about getting financing in the current credit markets.

earlnemo's picture

Mr. Weaver sounds like a

Mr. Weaver sounds like a nice man. It's unfortunate for him that the city couldn't afford to bail him out too.

Btw - what is UT doing on their river frontage just north of the National Guard?

(that link only partially works for me -no graphics- but my mac is having other issues recently, as well)

bizgrrl's picture

Btw - what is UT doing on

Btw - what is UT doing on their river frontage just north of the National Guard?

Isn't it a golf course?

Will UT have financial troubles and try to sell the golf course to a private enterprise?

KC's picture

And developers and builders

And developers and builders are in a double credit whammy: the developers have to borrow to build, and then their customers have to get loans to buy a condo or start a business.

Since last summer the focus has been on residential property, but there's a crisis as well in commercial property.

When you put it all together, the abyss starts staring back at you.

rocketsquirrel's picture

The antebellum Maxey House

The antebellum Maxey House is exacting revenge for Weaver demolishing it back in 2002. Can we call it Maxey's Boat Dock again?

R. Neal's picture

Can we call it Maxey's Boat

Can we call it Maxey's Boat Dock again?

Heh. We never stopped!

We also call the park Maxey's Park, even though that's not the name and I don't think it ever has been.

Factchecker's picture

Maybe these ideas not so timely

Also in keeping with the developmentís name, villas will be named after Waterford crystal patterns. The street into The Gazebo at Waterford Cove is Crystal Lane.

Villas will start at $439,000 and go to...

(link...)

Brian A.'s picture

These days a dormitory for

These days a dormitory for homeless people might meet a greater demand. It probably wouldn't make for the most family-friendly area, though.

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

rocketsquirrel's picture

'bout the same costs, using

'bout the same costs, using Minvilla math.

StaceyDiamond's picture

Conley

Maybe Conley should buy the Knoxville Voice. Whatever his faults the MP and Knox mag were much better under him than Scripps.

StaceyDiamond's picture

development

Maybe one good thing about this recession is stuff like mtn. top condos or demolishing the UC at UT will slow down.

KC's picture

demolishing the UC at UT

demolishing the UC at UT will slow down

or speed up, depending on which public projects are funded. We'll have to wait and see if
Pres. Obama's ban on earmarks in the stimulus package holds.

Rachel's picture

Mike Conley's project,

Mike Conley's project, AFAIK, is still on. It's condos. There may be some mixed use planned on the ground floor. The City is doing the park and part of the riverwalk in conjunction with that development. That's the way the south waterfront development is supposed to go - developers do private space; the City provides associated infrastructure improvements.

Brian's "project" is not happening. Please note the quotation marks.

KC's picture

It's condos. I hope demand

It's condos.

I hope demand improves.

Over building is over building, whether it's urban or suburban.

jbr's picture

With 4.2 million unsold

With 4.2 million unsold existing homes will he keep delaying construction?

CNN article
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