Interesting, ultilizes GPS.
The Yahoo News article....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090102/ap_on_re_us/mileage_tax
They say this, but ....
Another concern is that such devices could threaten privacy. Whitty said he and his task force have assured people that the program does not track detailed movement and that driving history is not stored and cannot be accessed by law enforcement agencies.
Congress is talking about it, too. A congressional commission has envisioned a system similar to the prototype Oregon tested in 2006-2007.
The landscape is changing. It isn't our responsibility to keep road building industry in high cash flow like they have been accustomed.
Mass transit, telecommuting, teleconferencing, things like Second Life, etc will likely continue to evolve. Go on a road diet. Removing lanes, etc would diminish the need for maintenance funding. I suspect they are approaching this from the wrong end.
Since we drove over 100 billion less miles in the last year. Maybe we can adapt current highway lanes into mass transit routes. Then would not have to secure right of way or do as much excavating for rail. A huge part of the cost.
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I will admit to a huge
I will admit to a huge degree of personal bias in this, since I drive a Prius, but this strikes me as a "screw the Prius owners" move.
I can see the logic behind it, but I also ask "why should I pay the same in taxes as a Lincoln Navigator owner, when we want to encourage fuel efficient cars?"
"I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat." -- Will Rogers
Yep...
I will admit to a huge degree of personal bias in this, since I drive a Prius, but this strikes me as a "screw the Prius owners" move.
I had the same thought. Or another subsidy for SUV's.
Totally bassackwards
You want to exact a cost for the consumption of gasoline, not for miles travelled. Even the stated reason - that Priuses don't pay for the upkeep of roads - is bullshit. The vehicles that beat the hell out of roads are the semis. They pay piles of taxes but even so don't actually keep up with their damage.
Hey, for the same reason, we should tax walkers and bicyclists, damn spongers who don't pay a dime for road upkeep.
Liberty and justice for all.
My home
Besides, if this is really
Besides, if this is really needed and a good idea, there are cheaper and easier ways to do it.
Instead of a GPS, cars could be tagged with an RFID chip that tells the pump the make and model. The pump then looks up the vehicle in the EPA mileage database and adjusts the tax accordingly. Not as accurate, but close enough and no invasion of privacy or potential for abuse.
But I agree it takes away one incentive to buy more fuel efficient cars, and the other ideas are more creative.
One of the mystifying things
One of the mystifying things about consumer highway taxes to me is that it is not pegged to make and model of vehicle as Randy pointed out. Commercial vehicles, depending on locale, pay according to form, not just use. If you have a delivery truck with two axles or no dual rear axle in NJ, for example, the taxation is less. If you have a semi, it is substantially more.* The RFID thing is a neat idea, but, as an EZ Pass holder, there's a privacy thing there. There's nothing more creepy than getting your quarterly EZPASS statement and it shows every toll you paid and every exit you got on and off.
*NB. If you see a container rack (the trailer that sea-going cargo container ride on for delivery) in the Northeast, it will invariably have a TN tag. The Hamilton County clerk charges $97.50 for a permanent one-time fee tag and there's no inspection other than random road going, which rarely happens. Can you say "Lucrative?"
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
You want to exact a cost for
You want to exact a cost for the consumption of gasoline, not for miles travelled.
I agree, except ideally it would account for number of passengers too. Maybe some kind of weighted formula like the one Ethel Merman proposed in It's a Mad, Mad, .... World. It was really pretty good!
it will invariably have a TN tag.
Sounds like the rest of the country found a TN loophole to exploit. I never noticed that about those trailers.
Additional incentive?
I agree, except ideally it would account for number of passengers too.
Why? The passengers are already avoiding additional tax payments. Their tax-related incentive has already been delivered by not having to buy as much gas.
Liberty and justice for all.
My home
hey! this is Oregon were talkin' about
Oregon- where there is no sales tax, you only pay about $25 bucks a year for auto tags and you can't pump your own gas at the station. Since Oregon is so eco-friendly and the state population is trending to more cleaner/fuel efficient cars on the road, they are going to have to pay for new roads and bridges somehow. Simply raising the tag fee would not be equitable to lower incomes and those who can't afford that new car with better mileage.
With the exception of their pioneering the use of sand filtration systems on hillsides, I do so love Oregon.
A few other states seem to
A few other states seem to be looking at forms of something similar....
I meant that larger, gas
I meant that larger, gas thirstier vehicles should not be penalized if they get the same person-miles/gallon. A vehicle that gets 15 miles/gallon and transports two people, say, could be taxed the same as a 30 mpg vehicle that doesn't carry more than its driver. I'm not sure we're on the same page or not.
I don't know how to track how many people are in a vehicle, though. I still wish we had an HOV lane here, with eligibility extended toward high MPG cars. Doesn't it work in Nashville? Not sure whether they give high MPG cars a break like California does.
HOV Exemptions for Hybrids
Virginia, at least, dropped hybrid cars from eligibility for HOV lanes (unless they have the appropriate number of passengers, of course.)
Also, when it was still in effect, it wasn't enough just to have a hybrid; you had to have the Virginia tags that indicated the car was a hybrid. So, when I drove my Maryland tagged Prius in Virginia, I wasn't eligible for HOV. At first that didn't make sense to me, since a Prius is one of the most distinctive cars on the road today. But when you consider, say, a hybrid Toyota Camry or Honda Civic, which look exactly like the standard fuel models but for a little labeling, and the prospect of an unethical soul putting fake labeling on a standard fuel model, it makes sense to require state certification of the hybrid status.
"I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat." -- Will Rogers
Pardon my obsessiveness
Person-miles/gallon is a better number to optimize than miles/gallon, true. But the best number to optimize is total gallons.
My original point is still valid: Carpooling has a built-in financial incentive (the entire avoided cost of gasoline for each passenger) that swamps any incentive that could possibly be provided through lower gas taxes (only a portion of the cost).
Am I missing something?
Liberty and justice for all.
My home
I think California is the
I think California is the same way. They have special decals through state registration.
Why did Virginia drop the eligibility for hybrids? Lobbying that there are pure gas and diesel cars that get as good mileage?
VA Hybrids
I'm not sure, but I believe it was a victim of its own success -- the HOV lines were getting too crowded with hybrids.
"I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat." -- Will Rogers
I never understood the concept of punishing success....
.. but I agree that high MPG cars should get the same treatment.
No. I think you're on it.
Am I missing something?
Car culture
San Francisco "considering a plan to ease traffic by charging drivers a fee upon entering notoriously clogged sections of the city."
Bloomberg tried this in NYC and did not get anywhere.
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