The News Sentinel reports that technicians from Hart InterCivic "should arrive in town this afternoon" and that Knox County election officials are "optimistic votes from a malfunctioning voting machine* will be retrieved and counted to decide whether deputies will receive a new pension plan."
Read more with updates after the jump...
(*Actually, I believe it is a "master" machine/server that records the votes from all the other machines attached to it. But I could be mistaken. UPDATE: After reading more at WATE -- see update below -- it does not appear this is a "master" machine.)
Election officials say that if data retrieval from the corrupted memory card is not successful they "will be able to print out a paper trail so workers can tabulate votes by hand."
The question is, why haven't they done this already?
When election officials say they are "optimistic" that "votes from a malfunctioning voting machine will be retrieved," perhaps it's time to get the Rush Holt Voter Confidence Act out of committee and on to the floor of the U.S. House of Representatives for a vote.
A few hundred million more in "helping America vote" money for local election commissions would go a long way towards restoring voter confidence in our elections.
UPDATE: And another thing. The KNS quotes the Knox County Election Commission as saying "The only race that could be affected mathematically is the county charter amendment that, if it passes, would provide a defined-benefit pension to sworn law enforcement officers in the Knox County Sheriff’s Office." (CORRECTION: Knox County Elections Administrator Greg Mackay says that the quote cited above was the KNS, not the Election Commmission. He only said how many votes were stranded, not what races were affected. The "affected mathematically" statement is from the paper.)
First of all, have we has the KNS lowered the bar to the point that we they are only concerned about counting votes that are "mathematically" significant to one particular race or another?
Second of all, the margin of victory in the Pettigrew (D) v. Campfield (R) for Tennessee House District 18 is 1970 votes for Campfield, who has already been declared the winner. There are 2650 votes missing at Downtown West. That's over there in Schree's district. There could be plenty of votes for Schree stranded in that machine. Are there 1971 votes? Who knows? We don't. The Knox County Election Commission doesn't. (C.E. Petro was already all over this last night.)
The Election Commission suggests that if the votes cant' be retrieved from the defective memory card they can print them out. Why weren't they printed as the voting was taking place? Why haven't they been printed and counted already? How can they retrieve them by way of printing if they can't retrieve them by electronic means or by means of extraordinary intervention by the voting machine manufacturer?
If the votes cannot be retrieved, can the election be certified or will the entire election have to be voided? These are early voting votes, so there are votes from multiple precincts. A single precinct do-over would not seem possible. This is a much bigger deal than is being reported in the media. Stay tuned. And pay close attention to what you are told by the local media about how it is resolved.
UPDATE: Just to be clear, responsibility for this lies with the voting system manufacturer, not the Knox County Election Commission. We are certain the KCEC is just as anxious as everyone else to get it fixed, and we are certain they will review the backup and audit printing capabilities going forward.
UPDATE: Apparently they are not able to print the audit tape either. According to WATE:
Knox County Election Commission Chair Pamela Reeves explains what happened to the machine. "Apparently, what it did was it smoked. I don't know what caused it to smoke, but it was literally smoking. So they unhooked it at the time. Of course, we don't read the votes and we didn't know there was a problem until we went to read the votes Tuesday night."Election Administrator Greg Mackay explains, "The machine won't print the hard copy right now so they have several options. They can either read the chips and repair the data card or if they get the machine to print the hard copy, then we can just type in the numbers."
This is confusing in a couple of ways. What good is a paper tape if it has to read from the same storage as the electronic voting? Seems like the idea would be to print the votes as the voting happens, so even if the machine gets "smoked" you have a paper trail.
Second, it does not sound like this is a "master" machine after all. Otherwise they wouldn't have been able to just unhook it. If I'm not mistaken, the individual machines do not have a paper audit trail, and the paper audit trail prints from the master machine. So this is why they aren't able to print the votes. Which again raises the question why aren't they printed on the master machine as voting takes place. This appears to be a poor system architecture design.
UPDATE: From the Hart InterCivic website, here are the components that are apparently involved:
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Mobile Ballot BoxTM (MBB)
The MBB is eSlate's reusable, portable, flash memory PC card. Used to store election information, the MBB is the link among all components of the eSlate System. Each MBB is uniquely serialized for each election and tracked by the Ballot Origination Software System (BOSS) and Tally applications. When inserted into the Judge's Booth Controller, the MBB supplies election information and ballot styles at the polling place and stores the cast votes. Because the MBB uses solid-state, non-volatile memory storage, no batteries or constant power supplies are required to maintain data.
Judge's Booth ControllerTM (JBC)
The JBC manages the election process in each precinct; enables the election official to know which booths are in use at any given time; issues access codes for voting; and presents each voter with the appropriate ballot style. The JBC can control up to 12 eSlate units and is lightweight, portable, and easy to store and use.
eSlate®
eSlate is the device that voters use to cast their ballots. Lightweight, easy to use, secure and accessible, eSlate is about the size of a legal pad. Ballots are presented to the voter on a durable color screen. Selections are made by using an integrated rotary optical encoder. This unique design innovation differentiates eSlate from other electronic voting systems on the market, offering increased accuracy, reliability and ruggedness.
Unsurpassed Security
Each vote cast on an eSlate voting unit is recorded instantaneously in three independent, physically separate locations, ensuring cast vote data will be secure in the unlikely event of a machine failure. No smart cards or other programmable activation devices are required. Officials do not have to monitor specialized devices that might malfunction, create a security hazard or be accidentally carried away by voters.
DESIGNED FOR FAILSAFE OPERATION
All information managed by the voting equipment is saved in three physically separate devices, providing back-up and redundant data storage in the event any one of the components malfunctions. This is a significant advantage over stand-alone systems that may lose cast votes as a result of a malfunction. Automatic creation of triplicate original cast vote records
throughout the course of the day eliminates need to collect votes from each machine upon poll closing, eliminating a potential source of error. The eSlate equipment has 18-hours of battery backup to protect against power failures and lost data. All information storage devices are solid-state, and thus are not susceptible to magnetic fields, abusive handling or loss of power.
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Something doesn't make sense. It would be nice if someone would explain how it actually works, so we could better understand the problem. What and where are the three independent, physically separate locations and why can't the votes be retrieved from at least one of them? Where is the audit printer? When does it print? Etc.
UPDATE: The votes were retrieved and counted. Here's the WATE report.
According to the article, technicians from Hart had to remove some memory chips from a damaged motherboard and install them on another motherboard to retrieve the votes. The article also says something about "rebuilding" the memory chips. I have no idea what this could possibly mean.
It would be nice if someone from the KCEC could get an accurate explanation from Hart technicians about what they did, how the redundancy works, why the votes aren't transmitted to the controller in real time, why they aren't printed on the audit tape in real time, and why they have a system architecture designed such that a failing motherboard (or a failing component on a motherboard) requires technicians from out of state to come in, take the machine to a lab, and do major surgery to retrieve votes from these "backups".
No business that I have ever been involved with or their auditors would accept such a "backup" architecture.
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What about the Pettigrew Race?
Just a question here, but looking at the return from last night, Pettigrew was down 1,900 votes. While it's statistically improbable that the difference in those 2,625 votes would put her over the top, it's certainly not impossible. Downtown West is in the heart of her district.
Just a question here, but
Just a question here, but looking at the return from last night, Pettigrew was down 1,900 votes. While it's statistically improbable that the difference in those 2,625 votes would put her over the top, it's certainly not impossible. Downtown West is in the heart of her district.
Was posting that very point as you commented. I'm glad someone else is paying attention.
Paying attention
I had the chance a couple of weeks back to meet a professor named Avi Rubin, one of the computer scientists who got their hands on the Diebold maching code back in 2002, and wrote the seminal analysis of it that showed how bad it was.
He works hard to distance himself from those who see the e-voting process as being rife for conspracies and election fixing, and talked extensively about the much more simple danger: if the machine breaks (no matter the manufacturer), there's no way to get the votes.
And here we are: A broken machine and *poof* more than 2,600 voters potentially disenfranchised. I know Greg is working hard to find a way to make it work, but this calls the issue up, big time, about whether the touch screen machines are the right choice.
Anyway -- the question is this: what the hell happens if they can't get those votes off? It seems to me like you would have to vote again.... but would that mean the whole county?
"First of all, have we
"First of all, have we lowered the bar to the point that we are only concerned about counting votes if they are "mathematically" significant to one particular race or another?"
This may be an old practice, but I'm not sure they count all absentees if it wouldn't change the outcome.
This is an early vote machine, so the votes could be anywhere in the county, in any race. It also raises the importance of having a reliable paper trail. Everyone wants a better mousetrap. Maybe paper ballots and ink-stained fingers is the answer.
A few hundred million more
Color me a bit more restored after last night's results.
(I would think that if Rove had the digital trigger at his disposal, it would have been pulled last night.)
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I agree that overall the
I agree that overall the electroninc voting went smoother than some might have expected. But there is one, and possibly another, important local election hanging in the balance (see my update to the original post). And I was pretty confident about the eSlate machines until I learned that the paper audit trail may not be any more reliable than the electronic tabulation.
Oh, I agree. But the point
Oh, I agree.
But the point was more about the ability for widespread ballot malfeasance. You'd think that someone committed to stealing elections could do a more competent job -- if indeed they held that sort of power to begin with.
This reinforces my point that Rove is a bully and a charlatan. People gave him too much credit.
That's all I was sayin'.
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Agreed. This doesn't seem
Agreed. This doesn't seem like a case of fraud. Just a case of defective equipment. There are no other indications of any type of malicous intent. But defective equipment can result in similar problems. Thankfully not on as large a scale. At least not in this case.
the election is over, so move on
now we need to move back to more important affairs. Such as Brittney Spears seeking a divorce from K-Fed. If those two kids can't make it, what does that say about the rest of us?
mathematically
You said:
"The KNS quotes the Knox County Election Commission as saying "The only race that could be affected mathematically is the county charter amendment that, if it passes, would provide a defined-benefit pension to sworn law enforcement officers in the Knox County Sheriff’s Office."
No we did not. Read the article:
"According to the Knox County Election Commission, the machine contains 2,625 votes. The only race that could be affected mathematically is the county charter amendment that, if it passes, would provide a defined-benefit pension to sworn law enforcement officers in the Knox County Sheriff’s Office. "
They follow a statement of fact from us (2625 votes) with a wrong opinion of their own: "The only race. . ."
Good Point!
Excellent point Mr. McKay. Can you go into any detail as to what happend to the malfunctioning machine and all that? I'm just startring to get caught up on this.
Take Care, Be Good and don't play in the street!
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How much do we know?
Greg, I know you can't comment tons, but do you have a way of knowing whose votes have not yet been counted? Or at least how many people from certain precincts?
I voted at Downtown West,
I voted at Downtown West, and I voted for Pettigrew (and Junior). So if my vote isn't counted, I'll be horrendously annoyed, "statistically significant" or not. Anyone know if the broken machine was #7?
Sorry, Greg. It was either
Sorry, Greg. It was either poorly written or poorly read by me.
poorly written
poorly written
the election is over, so
now we need to move back to more important affairs. Such as Brittney Spears seeking a divorce from K-Fed. If those two kids can't make it, what does that say about the rest of us?
Ummmm...that maybe gay marriage is not the threat to heterosexual marriage that all those evangelical preachers keep saying it is? That in fact, marriage in general is the biggest threat to traditional marriage?
Just sayin'...
"You can't fix stupid..." Ron White
hey, my joke wasn't far off. . .
earlier I said "the election is over, so move on
Submitted by Lee Greenwood (not verified) on Wed, 2006/11/08 - 10:39pm.
now we need to move back to more important affairs. Such as Brittney Spears seeking a divorce from K-Fed. If those two kids can't make it, what does that say about the rest of us?"
Saw on TV tonight that a NY paper (not the Times) had 50% of the front page Dems taking control, the other 50% was Brittney.
What and where are the three
What and where are the three independent, physically separate locations and why can't the votes be retrieved from at least one of them?
That's what I want to know as well.
Bump for update at bottom of
Bump for update at bottom of original post.
The article also says
Probably means to recover whatever they can from the old file structure.
Ever had to recover a trashed compact flash card? Like that. This stuff would have to be in non-volatile memory in order to do that. I should hope it was designed that way, anyway. You'd hate to lose an entire precinct because of a power outage.
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That's what I HOPE they
That's what I HOPE they mean. As in "recover" or "repair" v. "rebuild".
Lumpy Lambert called in
Lumpy Lambert called in during Lloyd Daugherty's show this morning and since he was an observer of the process, he explained what they had to do.
The data was on a flash memory chip in the damaged unit. The chip is about 1/4 the size of a postage stamp and is soldered into the unit. The chip had to be "un"soldered and removed then placed and re-soldered into a clean unit. All this had to be done before they would even know whether or not it had also been damaged. As it turned out, it wasn't damaged and they were able to get the data. I hope that makes sense.
That makes sense, but it
That makes sense, but it begs the question of what happened to the two redundant memories. Was an audit tape printed? Printing the ballot records and verifying that a hand count matches the recorded tally would go a long way toward quelling any doubts about the result.