michael kaplan's picture

emergency shelter program in l.a.

cafkia's picture

Well, technically they live

Well, technically they live in a climatically temperate area that is culturally liberal and relatively flush fiscally so that they can not freeze to death whilst they otherwise seek the elements of survival.

Is that too much to think about?

jbr's picture

Knoxville homeless housing

So is the structure being proposed for next to Caswell Park in addition to the old Salvation army building?

Knoxville council approves plan for ‘low barrier’ homeless shelter

Homeless housing next to Caswell Park

Bill Lyons's picture

Those are very different projects.

Those are very different projects. The one on Fifth Avenue is permanent supportive housing much like Flenniken and Minvilla. The other is a low barrier overnight shelter.

michael kaplan's picture

According to HUD, Minvilla

According to HUD, Minvilla and Flenniken together cost about $14 million for 105 efficiency and one-bedroom units, or about $133,000 per unit. It looked to me like the efficiencies were around 300 s.f.

The estimated cost of the [Flenniken] project is approximately $7 million. HUD provided funds (SHP; NSP-1; TCAP; CDBG; and HOME) through the city of Knoxville and the non-profit of approximately $2.8 million. The market rate for rooms is about $500 per month, with tenants having to pay some of the rent. The project is being managed by American Apartment Management Company of Knoxville. Volunteer Ministry Center, Inc. will provide case management to the tenants. In addition, other agencies in the Knoxville area will provide support to the tenants and the project.

jbr's picture

How much permanent affordable

How much permanent affordable housing is in each section of Knoxville? North, south, east and west?

Is it being evenly distributed?

fischbobber's picture

The issue....

The issue isn't so much the availability of permanent housing, the issue is one of vouchers. During the Haslam administration, and the grand Ten Year Plan, when it started blowing up in his face, the dirty little secret, that there weren't enough section eight vouchers to cover the rent even if the facilities were built, quickly came to light.

The other point that sort of creeped out from under the doorway is that while the problems with homelessness can be very high profile problems, the solutions are best left low key. In many ways, the homeless are just like every other sub-group of humans in society (imagine that, human beings sharing common attributes despite socio-economic differences), but problems and issues within the homeless community, including those moved to permanent supportive housing, tend to be blamed on their homeless condition, in part due to the high profile, easy target status, rather than acknowledging that folks have problems across the spectrum.

In our neighborhood (within a half mile radius of my house), we have over one hundred section 8 apartments available. ( I don't know for sure how many units are in the Tower behind West Town.) I live within walking distance of Westtown Mall. Mayor Rogero has been extremely aggressive in building pedestrian infrastructure in our area and we now have handicapped accessible sidewalks as well as a new sidewalk stretching from Downtown West tho the corner of Gleason and Gallaher View.

There should be a list of all section 8 eligible housing as well as the number of section 8 vouchers available somewhere.

Perhaps the more pertinent question is "Are the subset of the homeless creating the biggest perceived problems evenly distributed?"

jbr's picture

I think you can look at a

I think you can look at a list per zip code here ...

Not sure how accurate it is

There is a slide switch in upper left corner of map that allows you to pick "List" or "Map'

fischbobber's picture

West View Towers

The map does show West View towers, but not the apartments at the NE side of Gleason and Gallahar View , which I was also under the impression were section 8. I was also under the impression that some of the multi-person facilities on the south side of Gleason as well as some of the lower cost apartments on the south side of Gleason carried this status as well.

I claim no expert status and could be wrong.

As a resident of this area, I don't really see an issue with permanent affordable housing in our neighborhood, conditional on the city improving and maintaining the pedestrian infrastructure necessary to support this population.

Rogero grasps that government need not destroy a neighborhood in order to add a low income housing component to said neighborhood.

jbr's picture

Section 8 tied to person and

Section 8 tied to person and not property, according to this page, if I am understanding it correctly.

KCDC Section 8

fischbobber's picture


As I understand it, Section 8 is a voucher system with a finite number of vouchers each year. The vouchers are tied to individuals through, what I thought was a first come first serve system with some priorities available through that system, which would mean we're on the same page as to how it works.

Is it clear as mud yet?

bizgrrl's picture

Isn't "permanent affordable

Isn't "permanent affordable housing" (Minvilla, Flenniken, etc.) different than section 8 housing?

michael kaplan's picture

Isn't "permanent affordable

Isn't "permanent affordable housing" (Minvilla, Flenniken, etc.) different than section 8 housing?

i believe so, and both are different from the kind of emergency housing needed for those living in the streets, in the woods, and in, behind, and below abandoned or derelict properties.

fischbobber's picture

I think maybe

I think maybe section 8 is a subset of permanent affordable housing.

As I understand it, you don't necessarily have to have section 8 housing vouchers to inhabit a unit designated as qualifying for section 8, but I'm not positive as to how all the puzzle pieces fit together.

michael kaplan's picture

Section 8

The individual or family receives the vouchers, but the owner or landlord receives the subsidy payments.

A family that is issued a housing voucher is responsible for finding a suitable housing unit of the family's choice where the owner agrees to rent under the program. This unit may include the family's present residence. Rental units must meet minimum standards of health and safety, as determined by the PHA.

barker's picture

Section 8 vouchers are

Section 8 vouchers are distributed to low-income people. The chronically homeless, who are the people living at Minvilla and Flenniken, qualify for the vouchers and therefore are a subset of the overall population that qualifies for Section 8 vouchers. There are never enough vouchers to go around.

jbr's picture

Well, I am a bit confused.

Well, I am a bit confused. Any cumulative lists or maps out there?

R. Neal's picture

JBR is correct about Section

JBR is correct about Section 8 vouchers being tied to individuals. But, eligible properties have to qualify, follow certain rules, and they are regulated.

fischbobber's picture

Supply and demand

It was my understanding that we have enough properties that qualify for section 8 use, but not enough vouchers to go around to everyone that would qualify for them. I this correct?

barker's picture

I don't know about the

I don't know about the property inventory, but there are never enough vouchers for those who qualify.

bizgrrl's picture

Seems odd to build more

Seems odd to build more housing that requires section 8 vouchers if there are already not enough vouchers to fill existing housing.

Bill Lyons's picture

Project-based vouchers

Projects such as this, which target the most vulnerable people, are very often based on a project-based voucher model as part of their financial pro forma. The housing agencies are allowed to designate a portion of their vouchers to projects that serve populations of needs rather than to individuals who then seek out rental properties that accept vouchers.

michael kaplan's picture

You'd have to ask someone in

You'd have to ask someone in KCDC or the Community Development office.

Midori Barstow's picture

KnoxHMIS: The Annual Report on Knoxville's Homeless and At-Risk

from WUOT this morning


KnoxHMIS: The Annual Report on Knoxville's Homeless and At-Risk opulations

The City of Knoxville’s Community Development office is putting together its five-year development plan for the city and the Knoxville-Knox County Homeless Coalition is trying to determine how housing opportunities for the homeless will fit into that plan.

WUOT's Chrissy Keuper sat down with Lisa Higginbotham, manager of the Knoxville Homeless Management Information System, or KnoxHMIS , with the University of Tennessee’s Social Work Office of Research and Public Service , to talk about the...

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