Fri
Jun 15 2007
01:07 pm
By: cafkia

I just want to go on the record as saying that I believe it to be an absolute travesty of justice that Scooter Libby is being sent to jail without Delay.

CAFKIA

R. Neal's picture

Bada bing! Don't forget to

Bada bing!

Don't forget to tip your bartenders and servers.

MartyD's picture

As Do I!!!!! I live in

As Do I!!!!! I live in Houston and had my belly full of Ole Tom long before you ever heard of him..

WhitesCreek's picture

You people have no feelings.

Scooter is a family man and should be pardoned. All he's done is covered up for treason by committing perjury.

The way you people act you;d think he had done the same things as 100 to 150 of those folks incarcerated in Guantanamo, who have done, well, as it turns out...

Nothing! (and were quietly sent home).

Crimes only count when they are committed by Not-Republicans

captainkona's picture

:)

Without Delay, without Cheney, without Rove,.....
Perhaps the rest of them will join scooter and those that went before him in time.

Headin' for Bonnaroo in an hour!
Regards to all. :)


"The mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open."

Mark Shetterly's picture

"Crimes only count when they

"Crimes only count when they are committed by Not-Republicans"

I suppose Sandy "Burgler" stealing documents from the national archives wasn't a crime? He got nothing for that, not even a slap on the wrist. Scooter just contradicted himself. I bet if I asked you enough questions you'd eventually say something that contradicted something else you already said. Should we give you three years in prison too? The whole thing stinks from the witch-hunt by the dems to the stupid, awkward way the Bush administration handled it.

Communism only works in two places, heaven where they don't need it and hell where they've already got it.

cafkia's picture

You sir, are a POS traitor

Regardless of what was court-worthy proof, what "Scooter" did was to assist in the conduct of acts of betrayal to the United States. His crimes have to be viewed as a part of the whole. THEY outed an undercover CIA agent whose mission was to protect the United States from attack with illegally traded NBC weapons. To interfere with such an endeavor marks one as either an enemy combatent or a traitor. There are no other options. To support such an action, assuming one claims "citizenship" marks one as a traitor. Your support/defense of Libby shows you for what you are, a POS traitor.

You and your hero are domestic enemies. Many of us took an oath to defend our nation against your type. Feel free to leave our country before we start to remember that oath. Traitor.

CAFKIA

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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
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Carole Borges's picture

Scooter Libby the pawn knew he was going down

No one has to feel sorry for Scooter. He knew full well what he was doing. He lied in order to save Cheney. In the Republican world that makes him a sympathetic hero. I'm sure he expected, maybe still expects, a full pardon, but it's pretty hard to have any sympathy for a weasel like Libby. If you do have sympathy for him, then you also have to feel Gonzalez is a truthful man that represents integrity too. I'm not sure what measure people go by, but the crime was clear. He lied under oath and obstructed justice. That should matter. The fact that he was one of Bush's suck-ups, and obviously one of the loyalest ones at that, shouldn't exonerate him from anything. I'm equally against Democrats who lie under oath to cover things up. The law is the law. Libby broke the law and now he's paying for it. That seems fair.

Factchecker's picture

Are you ignorant or just lying?

He got nothing for that, not even a slap on the wrist.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/08/berger.sentenced/

If you could just learn to use The Google instead of relying on Fox Noise or comedian Rush Limburger for your knowledge.

WhitesCreek's picture

He's lying.

On several points actually. The only question is whether he's lying because he's nuts or lying because he's a liar.

redmondkr's picture

Scooter Libby would not go

Scooter Libby would not go to the toilet without his boss' permission, much less lie under oath. This lie was done on a closed course with a professional liar, do not attempt this at home.

This from another of his boss' cadre of professional liars.


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Mark Shetterly's picture

"You and your hero are

"You and your hero are domestic enemies. Many of us took an oath to defend our nation against your type. Feel free to leave our country before we start to remember that oath. Traitor.

CAFKIA"

Is that a threat sir? I wonder what the KCSD or the FBI would think of your language. Aside from that, they didn't out a undercover agent. She wasn't the least bit undercover, so she couldn't have been outed.

"Communism only works in two places, heaven where they don't need it and hell where they've already got it."
Ronald Reagan

R. Neal's picture

I don't have much to add to

I don't have much to add to what CAFKIA said, except that you are clearly yet another a deluded, robotic regurgitator of right wing propaganda. And probably a traitor, too. But mostly just boring. And annoying. Although I can't figure out which is more annoying -- a deluded regurgitating zombie, or a traitor, or annoying, or just boring. At least you are hitting on all cylinders in all of these regards, so you've got that going for you. Please, entertain us with something original.

cafkia's picture

Nope

I'm not much of one to threaten but, if you feel the alphabet soup would be interested in what I say, inform them.

In ten seconds or so of googling for a prior KnoxViews thread, I was able to find a column by one of Valerie Plame's "classmates" at the agency. In that column, he stated in no uncertain terms that she was indeed undercover. (Hint: google Plame AND non official cover) So it looks like I am either going to have to believe you or, a trained and dedicated CIA agent.

You are a traitor AND a POS troll.

CAFKIA

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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
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WhitesCreek's picture

Mark Shett

Instead of just saying things, why don't you offer us some references that back up what you claim?

Just so you know...The Judge that sentenced Libby and denied him freedom pending appeal is a "Law and order" Reagan appointee and the prosecuter that convicted him is a staunch Republican. Evidence was presented in Court that Plame was covert. The Judge referred to this in his rulings and sentencing, and denial of bail for Libby.

You appear to be another right wing kook but I'm willing to let you convince me otherwise. All you have to do is present verifiable evidence of any of the stuff you say. Just saying things does not make them so.

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Mark Shetterly's picture

(Sigh) Sometimes I wonder

(Sigh) Sometimes I wonder why I even bother. It seems to me that nearly every time I join an actual two sided political discussion ( as opposed to a bunch of like mindeds sitting around agreeing with each other), eventually the "progressive" side degenerates into petty name calling and personal insults. This even happens with my close friends who are liberal (and it seems, to my chagrin, that most of my friends are liberal). I've been guilty of my share of that too but I really try not to do it these days. The love of my life died recently and her death and progressive illness leading up to it kinda put some things in perspective for me. One of them is the lack of civility in many discussions and debates in the last several years.
I would like to think that I am not a wingnut or a regurgitator or a parrot or whatever other term you'd use to describe someone of my political bent. I don't just mouth whatever I hear on conservative talk radio. I am just as intelligent and informed a human being as anyone else who posts here. I try to gather information from many sources and read, listen to and watch all sides of the issues of the day before I form an opinion. I try to make well thought out, intelligent points about things that I feel moved to speak about. I assume you all do the same. Please don't fall into the trap of thinking that Americans who hold opposite political beliefs from yours are the enemy. Reserve that designation for those who wish to destroy our country and way of life.

"Communism only works in two places, heaven where they don't need it and hell where they've already got it."
Ronald Reagan

Rachel's picture

Civility

You know, your plea for civility might be more convincing if you hadn't posted this on the Roe v. Wade thread:

So when is a fetus a baby then? When do you decide that the thing inside you isn't just some invasive infection that you can have removed like a tumor? When it grows fingers? Maybe when it has a heartbeat? When it "looks" human? You know what the difference is between a squirrel and a rat? The squirrel is cute and fuzzy.

That was a real civil way to discuss abortion with someone who said they were pro-choice.

WhitesCreek's picture

Ok, He's crazy.

Shet...In an argument, "A" should follow from "B". you threaten to report one of us to the authorities for an imagined insult/crime and then plead for understanding?

Give us a break. Ok?

Like I said before, come with facts, reference, and rational arguments and we'll listen and kick it around like a ball game.

Come with nasty and you get it back. Keep thinking the problem is with Liberals and you'll stay confused and lonely.

Peace,

Steve

Mark Shetterly's picture

Ok, here we go... "Shet...In

Ok, here we go...

"Shet...In an argument, "A" should follow from "B". you threaten to report one of us to the authorities for an imagined insult/crime and then plead for understanding?"

Imagined insult? If someone called you a traitor and then said "Many of us took an oath to defend our nation against your type. Feel free to leave our country before we start to remember that oath." Would you not consider that a threat? Of course I wouldn't be so absurd as to actually try to report something like that as a crime but the point is valid.

As far as the way I was discussing abortion Rachel, did I name-call or personally insult or question the intelligence of the person I was replying to? I am entitled to my opinion as are you, simply expressing it is not un-civil and I think I made a good point about the determination of when life starts. But yes, I have in the past indulged in the very thing I was decrying, I already admitted that.

"Communism only works in two places, heaven where they don't need it and hell where they've already got it."
Ronald Reagan

Factchecker's picture

Shall we call the wah-mbulance?

Imagined insult? If someone called you a traitor and then said "Many of us took an oath to defend our nation against your type. Feel free to leave our country before we start to remember that oath." Would you not consider that a threat?

Can you imagine, then, how many--if not most--of us who were against invading Iraq felt four years ago when virtually an entire chorus from the highest ranks of the GOP were making the same accusations against us for many months, just because we spoke out with opposing views? Over the radio, on TV, in print, against a Democratic congressman running for re-election, from the President, VP, and WH press secretary. And still it goes on in some media circles (Coulter, Hannity, et. al.). Not just "CAFKIA" in the comments of a blog.

Your side made the new rules. And now you want to change them back toward "civil discourse"? BTW, how are things going for Bush and his 51% "mandate"? Still don't get the picture? (We're a little pissed about what your side has done to our country. And there's still another year and a half, minimum, left to go.)

Factchecker's picture

P.S. I should have added

We're a little pissed about what your side has done to our country...

... and the means used to do it.

talidapali's picture

People who try to circumvent...

the rights given in the Constitution, such as the right to be secure in their persons from unreasonable searches and seizures (secret wiretapping ring a bell?), The right to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances (anyone up for a gathering in a "Free Speech Zone" miles away from any political gathering that George Bush attends?), or The right to face their accusers in a court of law and to see the evidence the government holds against them and to be assured of a speedy trial before a jury of their peers (Guantanamo, anyone? Anyone? Bueller?) (just to name a few of the Constitutional protections the Bush administration has tried to circumvent by executive order), ARE traitors. And anyone who supports their efforts to erode our Constitution are collaborationists at best and traitors themselves at worst.

Those on the right scream that progressives and liberals and Democrats are Terrorists and ask why we hate our country and call us traitors, and much worse at times...ever watch Faux News? Ever heard Rush Limbaugh? Really HEARD him...not just nodded along cause he waves the flag for about two minutes at the beginning of each show but actually LISTENED to what he truly says and believes about those of us on the left? Sean Hannity, now there's a paragon of virtue for ya...and Bill O'Reilly, who wouldn't know a real fact if it jumped up and bit his nose off. These people that purportedly SPEAK for the Conservative base and the Republican party spew some of the vilest comments known to man DAILY over the air on TV and radio, and on the web...Michelle Malkin and Anne Coulter (wonder if she has ever found where she really lives so she can go vote next time...)...have you caught the harpy twins when they speak about immigrants or the 9/11 widows?

And yet...when you get a little teaspoon of the vitriol that has been hurled our way for YEARS, nay DECADES, by the dump truck load you get all offended and snuffly and wanna go whine in a corner about how mean we are. GROW UP.

When you can bring FACTS and LINKS and real sourcing to posts we will listen and then make up our own minds, we might be able to show you a thing or two that will blow your mind also. You might blow our minds once in a while too. That's the point of this exercise in communication.

If you play nice you can call me Tali, but it's Mistress Talismin if you're nasty.

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"You can't fix stupid..." ~ Ron White"

"I never said I wasn't a brat..." ~ Talidapali

WhitesCreek's picture

Shet...

"Aside from that, they didn't out a undercover agent. She wasn't the least bit undercover, so she couldn't have been outed."

See Shet? That's a lie. You gotta come with some truth or you get no respect. It's because you won't deserve any. You can be accepted here but you can't come with bullshett.

Factchecker's picture

Exhibit A

My next mouse click from previous comment found this at TPM:

...The real issue here is shaking ourselves loose from the degradation of our own civic and republican collective character that the war has brought us. Some principles are clear and worth repeating: You can't have a war for democracy fought by people whose principles are authoritarian and anti-democratic. It's not a throwaway line or a barb. It's the only pivot around which to understand the Bush years.

A few days ago, Andrew Sullivan linked to this rancid post by Glenn Reynolds previewing the coming claims that the war was sabotaged by the critics of the war who had more or less no power whatsoever during the entire prosecution of it.

But Reynolds' post and all his prefab reader emails should put us on notice that the architects of this and its dead-ender supports plan to lie their way out of this war just as they lied their way into it -- now whipping up a dust storm of rationalizations for their failures, imbecilities and lies much as the original entry into the conflict was floated on phoney claims about weapons of mass destruction and nonexistent ties between the past Iraqi regime and al Qaeda...

And how many more people read Instajerk than read Knoxviews?

cafkia's picture

Yo, Shetterly

I'm still waiting for your debunking of the statement by Plame's co-CIA agent that she was indeed undercover. Surely you will not let an obvious and easy target like that one go by, will you? Whasamatter? Google got your tongue?

I suppose you could just be conflicted. Do you claim you had no idea and identify yourself as gullible or as an outright dumbass? Or, do you say you knew but being a traitor took precedence?

Did I miss an option? Humpfh! If I did, I still can't think of it.

CAFKIA

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