Nov 8 2008
10:33 pm

I'm tooling down the Pike today around 1:30 this afternoon, headed for Gourmet Market to get a new coffee maker (just one of those little single-cup drip thingies).

I'm driving west on the most beautiful stretch of road in town enjoying the gorgeous bright blue weather and watching the red and orange and yellow leaves sailing down and carpeting the sidewalks after last night's rain. Absolutely Knoxville at its most perfect.

And then I get to Laurel Church of Christ across from Cherokee Boulevard and a flash of white catches my eye.

As in white guys in white robes and white pointy hats.

One of them has an upside-down American flag.

It was so sudden and so shocking that I was past them before I could even flip them off.

I'm guessing I know what that was about.

cafkia's picture

I assume they were on public

I assume they were on public property? I find it difficult to believe that the church condones or specifically allows that group or others like them on their property.



It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
  - William G. McAdoo

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Confirming my stupidity...

...but what do you mean, Betty, that you think you know what it's about? I guess I don't?

Bbeanster's picture

They were on the pubic

They were on the pubic sidewalk--

There were just two in "uniform," although I think there were a couple more with them. seemed like more at the time. Pretty shocking. Like coming face-to-face with a rat in your kitchen.

Bbeanster's picture

Tamara, this is November

Tamara, this is November 8.

Four days ago was November 4.

Upside-down flag = (link...)

MDB's picture

Upside Down Flag

As far as displaying the flag upside down goes (well, except when a signal of distress is warranted), I find that as disgraceful as burning the flag. Its using a national symbol for an inappropriate purpose.

I'll make the same disclaimer I do for flag burners -- I may loathe the action, but I defend the right to do it.

Out of curiosity, is it a universal standard that an upside down flag is a distress symbol? What do countries like France and the UK use for distress signals, since there really is no "upside down" for their flags?

RayCapps's picture

Nations with flags that look the same inverted...

have a "Naval Ensign." This is an official variant of the flag that will change in appearance when flown upside down as a sign of distress. These flags may only be flown on ships at sea. The UK, for example, uses the Union Jack in the upper left hand corner of a red field on board navy vessels. On civilian vessels, I believe the field is blue.

Just part of the useless data floating around my head.

Tamara Shepherd's picture


Gotcha. I was just thinking of any incidents locally involving the Laurel Church of Christ or its teachings.

I didn't know how the Laurel folks might have "offended" these nutcases, as TVUUC folks apparently did in their outreach to the gay community.

Bbeanster's picture

let me clarify: They were on

let me clarify:

They were on Kingston Pike -- on the sidewalk in front of LCC, across from Cherokee Boulevard. I don't think they were protesting the church, or the big houses on the boulevard -- it's just where they happened to be when I saw them.

Brian A.'s picture

A little before 1 p.m. I saw

A little before 1 p.m. I saw a couple of them on the sidewalk headed up the hill just east of Western Plaza. So apparently they were trekking along Kingston Pike for a ways.

Nice to see Knoxville's tolerance on display.

Brian A.
I'd rather be cycling.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

What's really surprising... that they were out in the daylight.

I thought those weasels danced around bonfires--very, very late at night.

MDB's picture

I find it amazing...

... that in the 21st Century, the KKK even still exists.

R. Neal's picture

See here:Link...The

See Katie's blog and the comments:


The skinhead involved has posted a report of the exercise at s-t-o-r-m-f-r-o-n-t with links to Katie and to this post at KnoxViews. I have removed one comment from here and redirected the referral. If they show up here, please do not engage them. Katie is allowing them to comment, so you can read all about it over there.

MDB's picture

A solution

please do not engage them

Can you lock this specific thread to be members only?

R. Neal's picture



MDB's picture

Look at is this way

It'll give them a chance to further demonstrate what ignorant pieces of human debris they really are.

MDB's picture

Look at it this way

It'll give them a chance to further demonstrate what ignorant pieces of human debris they really are.

MDB's picture

I went to the site R.Neal

I went to the site R.Neal references.

While on the KNS comments, they're just making noise about "white pride" and Obama's citizenship, the comments on that other site reveal that they picked the location due to its proximity to synagogues, and timed it so they'd be there as Sabbath services were ending.

One of them bragged about flashing his SS dual lightning bolt tattoo to the exiting worshippers.

What slime they are. What utter slime.

Opinari's picture

Similar activity in Texas

There was a similar rally here, apparently a protest over immigration. I wonder if this was a nationwide thing.

Joe328's picture

Two People?

With two people showing up that be the largest klan rally this area has had in the last 30 years.

R. Neal's picture

The explanation given is

The explanation given is that two or three people don't need a permit, which involves getting hassled by liberals looking to squelch their right to free speech. Look to see more of it, and similar activism by "respectable" folks.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

Sharp (young) eye

I let my 12 year-old son look at Katie's blog and the comments there.

He just rolled his eyes and said "they don't even know how to spell 'clan.'"

Nobody's picture

I'll let them comment as

I'll let them comment as long as they don't threaten anyone. I think it's important to let the world see what idiots they are, and let them hear from Knoxvillians that we don't want them here.


R. Neal's picture

MDB: "Look at it this way -

MDB: "Look at it this way - It'll give them a chance to further demonstrate what ignorant pieces of human debris they really are."

Katie: "I'll let them comment as long as they don't threaten anyone. I think it's important to let the world see what idiots they are, and let them hear from Knoxvillians that we don't want them here."

That's a valid point of view. I don't necessarily agree, but that doesn't make it wrong, it's just an opinion. My policy is different, for a variety of reasons, some on principle and some practical.

CathyMcCaughan's picture

Giving them a platform for

Giving them a platform for their hate just to gain site hits is a dangerous trade-off.

MDB's picture

Its your site

Its your site, and I see it as a tough call either way. Either way, I'll respect your decision.

sugarfatpie's picture

KKK should be countered by men in frilly white dresses


-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

Factchecker's picture

But maybe a community organizer could

KKK should be countered by men in frilly white dresses

I don't think the presence of Rudy Nine-eleveni would help.

sugarfatpie's picture

These guys are good: KKK- "White POWER!" CCC-"White Flour!"“white-power”-the-nazi’s-shouted-“white-flowers”-the-clowns-yelled-back/

Saturday May 26th the VNN Vanguard Nazi/KKK group attempted to host a hate rally to try to take advantage of the brutal murder of a white couple for media and recruitment purposes. Protest and Rally in Downtown Knoxville

Unfortunately for them the 100th ARA (Anti Racist Action) clown block came and handed them their asses by making them appear like the asses they were.

Alex Linder the founder of VNN and the lead organizer of the rally kicked off events by rushing the clowns in a fit of rage, and was promptly arrested by 4 Knoxville police officers who dropped him to the ground when he resisted and dragged him off past the red shiny shoes of the clowns. (link...)

“White Power!” the Nazi’s shouted, “White Flour?” the clowns yelled back running in circles throwing flour in the air and raising separate letters which spelt “White Flour”.

“White Power!” the Nazi’s angrily shouted once more, “White flowers?” the clowns cheers and threw white flowers in the air and danced about merrily.

“White Power!” the Nazi’s tried once again in a doomed and somewhat funny attempt to clarify their message, “ohhhhhh!” the clowns yelled “Tight Shower!” and held a solar shower in the air and all tried to crowd under to get clean as per the Klan’s directions.

At this point several of the Nazi’s and Klan members began clutching their hearts as if they were about to have a heart attack. Their beady eyes bulged, and the veins in their tiny narrow foreheads beat in rage. One last time they screamed “White Power!”

The clown women thought they finally understood what the Klan was trying to say. “Ohhhhh…” the women clowns said. “Now we understand…”, “WIFE POWER!” they lifted the letters up in the air, grabbed the nearest male clowns and lifted them in their arms and ran about merrily chanting “WIFE POWER! WIFE POWER! WIFE POWER!”

It was at this point that several observers reported seeing several Klan members heads exploding in rage and they stopped trying to explain to the clowns what they wanted.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

CathyMcCaughan's picture

Must. Join. Group.

Must. Join. Group.

MDB's picture

Must. Join. Group. I could

Must. Join. Group.

I could be wrong (it certainly wouldn't be the first time), but from comparing your picture and the one of the counter-protesters, you look far too feminine.

(In other words, aren't they all men in drag?)

CathyMcCaughan's picture

The clown with the blond

The clown with the blond ponytail holding another clown looks more feminine than I look.

sugarfatpie's picture

Men and women welcome

Guessing by the look of people in the photos.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

MDB's picture

I stand corrected

As I said, I could have been, and apparently was, wrong.

I am sure Cathy would look better in a dress than me (and I've worn one -- I played Thisbe in "A Midsummer Night's Dream.")

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