Could independent colleges be the next bubble?

Submitted by jbr on Sun, 2008/10/26 - 10:59am

This MSNBC/Forbes article has some interesting info. One thing in particular...

At UT Austin — a public university in a state with a $12 billion budget surplus and a football program that brings in $5 million a year — the only cuts Powers is looking to make involve thinning out the number of five- and six-year undergraduate seniors on his campus. Getting students to graduate "expeditiously" saves a bundle, he says.

It looks like the football program donates $5 million to university.

Anyone know the football program directly contributes to the university here at UT?

The article is about the haves and have nots and how smaller independent schools are under threat of closing.

The article....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27363934/

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Submitted by sugarfatpie on Mon, 2008/10/27 - 9:14am.

Anyone know the football program directly contributes to the university here at UT?

That would be a big fat ZERO.

-Sugarfatpie (AKA Alex Pulsipher)

"X-Rays are a hoax."-Lord Kelvin

Couldn't pop too soon for us...

Submitted by Tamara Shepherd on Mon, 2008/10/27 - 10:19am.

This is a timely topic in our household, jbr.

My high school senior has had her eye set on private Maryville College--$25K annual tuition, plus another $10K for housing/meals, or $140K for four years (at last year's rates).

Now, MC offers generous institutional aid, and she already is to receive their top-tier guaranteed Presidential scholarship, with an award varying from a minimum of $15K annually ($60K for four years) up to full tuition of $25K annually ($100K for four years). Add to that the HOPE award of $5K annually or $20K over four years (she gets that $1K annual supplement for her ACT score). Adding both sources of aid, then, she has a guaranteed award of $80K to $120K for the four years at MC.

Given that $140K cost, though, there's a big difference--a $40K difference--in the top end and the low end of that guaranteed $$$. We can't help much, and I *don't* want her to finish her undergrad degree $40K in debt...

Now contrast what the state schools can offer: Both ETSU and UT-Chattanooga, where we toured just this past week, conduct rigorous "honors colleges," within which a select group of students receives full tuition, housing (in apartments at Chatanooga), meals, fees, books, and even a paid "cultural stipend" to attend operas, plays, concerts and such.

UT-Chattanooga also underwrites a good portion of a junior year abroad, and some students we talked to actually traveled free with the help of a competitive grant program that covered costs remaining after those underwritten by the school.

Wow. We're looking harder at these state schools recently, and based on the profiles of students accepted into the programs last year, my daughter appears to be a perfectly qualified candidate.

However, I've cautioned her that the competition may be far more fierce among students now applying for next fall. If other parents are thinking like we are (and you know in this economy that they are), many young people who might otherwise have applied to top private schools will be looking for cheaper options.

What to do, what to do...

More data...

Submitted by Tamara Shepherd on Mon, 2008/10/27 - 10:36am.

Also, she's getting mailings from five of the so-called "Seven Sisters" women's schools. Bryn Mawr, at my fingtips here, says $48,060 annually, and the others are comparable.

She's gotten some stuff from Dartmouth, too, that appear to be targeted mailings. They congratulate her for her scholastic achievement "in the face of financial obstacles" (that would be her father and me) and explain that they now offer free tuition to all applicants ACCEPTED from familes earning less than $75K annually. Their total costs with room and board run nearly $48K annually, too.

Sewanne is comparable. These folks I had to phone to ask about merit scholarships (nothing in their lit), but they're particularly picky. The average student receiving any level of merit aid there has an ACT score of 34 and a GPA of 4.33.

They occasionally make a

Submitted by smalc on Mon, 2008/10/27 - 10:32am.

They occasionally make a token, one-time contribution. When I was there in the early 1990s, they made a contribution to help avoid cutting library hours.