Submitted by Pam Strickland on Mon, 2008/05/05 - 9:30am.
The preferred movie link wouldn't open in OS X.
But, I ask you, would you honestly go to a movie at 9:30 on a Sunday morning? They rent the theatre out on Sunday morning to a congregation that doesn't have a building. It happens in theatres all over the country both at urban sites and suburban sites. Get over it.
If you don't like what they are showing, write them a letter, call them, picket the theatre, picket their headquarters, boycott. Do something proactive, but don't whine to folks in general about what they do on Sunday morning. It doesn't accomplish anything.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
Last I checked Regal was a private company so it's really non-issue. Also anti-clericalism is infantile. WATCH OUT THEY MIGHT WEAR FUNNY HATS OR READ AN ANCIENT TEXT AND DO SOMETHING SACRED!
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Submitted by michael kaplan on Mon, 2008/05/05 - 12:12pm.
last i checked, the city - through IDB - owned the movie theater, although there are some private investors involved ..
i don't know what the lease agreement is between the church and the city, though. i do recall that the city provided space to churches for services and meetings in the candy factory. it would be nice if the city accommodated the local cinematheque - if there is one - in a close-in, central location.
I still don't understand the problem you have with it. It's not like they are casting Xian cooties everywhere and converting the wogs at the end of a bayonet.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
I don't understand Michael Kaplan's objections to the church service on Sunday morning. Why is this a problem for you?
As for "No Country for Old Men," I too was disappointed that this wasn't shown at the downtown theater when it was released. We had to head out to Downtown West to see it. It was only weeks later...I think perhaps after it cleaned up at the Oscars...that it was shown there and then only briefly. The same happened with "There Will Be Blood."
Submitted by Michael on Mon, 2008/05/05 - 12:49pm.
My understanding is that the portion of the building occupied by the Riviera is leased to them. My assumption is that they can sublease the space (or its use) as they see fit.
~m.
Submitted by tragicallyhip on Mon, 2008/05/05 - 1:12pm.
Yes, it would be great if we had a 77-seat art house cinema downtown. And perhaps we will, especially now that downtown has become the undisputed regional heavyweight (cue Vince McMahon) for entertainment (Tennessee Theatre, Bijou Theater, Riviera Theater, Market Square Stage and its many performances, WDVX Blue Plate Special, Theater Central, Valarium, Preservation Pub, World Grotto, Blue Cats, Rossinni, Saturday Night on the Town, Shakespeare on the Square, Worlds Fair Park Performance Lawn, Tennessee Amphitheater, Main Lawn, KMA, Pilot Light, Saturday Night on the Town, and the list goes on... sorry for those I didn't include).
Perhaps rather than bemoaning our lack of such a venue, a better use of energy would be to point out the example and try to rally support for such a development here. With live performance venues of all size and manner, why not recorded performance venues of varying size and stature as well? Surely we can capitalize on the momentum we have in terms of drawing visitors downtown for a varied experience that both appeals to the masses and shows off our uniquely compelling attributes? And perhaps such a facility could be multi-purpose, with local acting groups, musical acts, churches, and others could make use of it as well. Unless your real objection is to any church's use of the space. And that's another matter entirely.
Submitted by michael kaplan on Mon, 2008/05/05 - 9:22pm.
years before the thing went into construction, i publicly suggested that one of the rooms be dedicated to live performances staged by local theater groups. i gave the example of asheville, which has a couple of small stages at pack place in the middle of its downtown. and years before its doors opened, i publicly suggested the showing of independent films and the installation of 3D projection technology ..
>Perhaps rather than bemoaning our lack of such a venue, a better use of >energy would be to point out the example and try to rally support for such >a development here.
Submitted by Paul Witt on Mon, 2008/05/05 - 2:49pm.
Cincinnati has something like what you're wanting. It wasn't downtown exactly, but near UC. The Esquire theatre would show independent films (and some mainstream) and there were some nice restaurants nearby and a Graeters ice cream shop.
Art houses aren't generally at the nexus of most city's entertainment districts. And they're usually either the last leg of, or a rejuvenation of, an older cinema that's fallen out of favor. The same can be said of Knoxville, where the Downtown West is one of our oldest movie theaters still operating as such. Brand spanking new multiplexes are rarely prime art film venues.
And as I've said before, Regal would essentially be competing with itself if it showed the same material downtown as Downtown West. Regular patrons of indie films are prone to go where the films they want to see are playing, and location doesn't play as big a role in their decision to watch a film as convenience does when showing major releases produced for mass consumption.
~m.
Meanwhile, a number of your Old North neighbors and others are transforming Happy Holler into several interesting arts and performance spaces - encouraged, in part, by the redevelopment plan that I believe you spent a good bit of time arguing against.
encouraged, in part, by the redevelopment plan that I believe you spent a good bit of time arguing against.
What redevelopment plan might you be referring to? Getting rid of the Candy Factory arts community? If so, I'm not sure I would use the word encouraged.
Submitted by Downtown Architect (not verified) on Tue, 2008/05/06 - 11:08am.
Two things here. First, anyone who thinks that the art community suffered from the move from the Candy Factory to the Emporium can not possibly have been at First Fridays and can not possibly been to the Candy Factory in the last years before it was closed. My wife is an artist and I can tell you there is no comparison. The Candy Factory was a ghost town for the Art Market and others before. Now things on Gay Street are terrific. Ask people with Circle Modern Dance and the other galleries. The art scene now on Gay Street is wonderful and is better than we could have ever hoped.
Now for this subject of this discussion. Kaplan whines to 'look at what we get with the movie.' He whines that a church is using it on Sunday morning. How childish and how embarassing. Just like whining about three protestors that had to move a car. Friends and I worked our asses off to make that movie theater work with the SW. Knox Heritage worked its ass off. Kaplan did nothing but try to undercut us and never lifts a damn finger to help on anything. You want a movie theater for arts films because you don't want to drive to Downtown West. Well get off your ass, find other people if you can, lead a movement, raise money, deal with reality, and make it happen. In other words do something positive, anything. Real work is not whining on the Internet. As an architect I know all there is to do and I know who helps important progressive causes and who can't get over his own petty hatreds and resentments.
Submitted by bizgrrl on Tue, 2008/05/06 - 11:44am.
First, anyone who thinks that the art community suffered from the move from the Candy Factory to the Emporium can not possibly have been at First Fridays and can not possibly been to the Candy Factory in the last years before it was closed.
I had been to the Candy Factory in the last years before it closed and still miss it. You are correct I have never been to any of the First Fridays and only to the Emporium once on a request/demand. I guess I'm all alone.
The art scene now on Gay Street is wonderful and is better than we could have ever hoped.
Congratulations!
As an architect I know all there is to do and I know who helps important progressive causes and who can't get over his own petty hatreds and resentments.
Time Warp Tea Room, a coffee shop and music venue, Club XYZ and Taoist Tai Chi Society are already flourishing in the neighborhood. In February 2007, Jill Tennant opened Central Chic, an eclectic antique store in a building owned by Daniel Shue. Shue has been responsible for much of the development in that area, including another project slated for a fall 2008 inception.
Matt Morelock, WDVX employee and local musician, recently partnered with Josh Sidman, Rita Cochran and Cherie Piercey to open a new business, called The Parlor, in two of Shue’s buildings at 1206 and 1208 Central Avenue. The larger of the two spaces, 1208 Central, will be a music venue and restaurant. The Parlor will feature mostly acoustic musicians, and the restaurant will offer a bagel breakfast, sandwiches at lunchtime and a full dinner menu, and dinner shows for the evenings starting at 7 or 8 p.m.
“Knoxville just doesn’t have a very suitable venue for [WDVX] Blue Plate Special-type performers,” says Morelock. “We have great bar stages, and we have the great Laurel Theater and other larger venues, but there just isn’t a middle-sized room for these types of performers that isn’t a rock venue. When people ask what kind of music it’ll be, I say it will be kind of like ‘Blue Plate P.M.’
“We’re courting the huge audience of music fans in Knoxville who don’t go to any of the venues because the shows all start so late.”
The adjacent space, 1206 Central, will house six teaching studios for private instruction (student recitals will be the opening acts at many of The Parlor shows), a used, vintage-recycled instrument store, an instrument repair and renovation shop, and Morelock’s office. Morelock anticipates a September opening...
An indie cinema would make an interesting addition. The former theater space is already spoken for, however:
Yeah. I really wanted to watch "No Country for Old Men" on Gay Street, but was disappointed. (and still haven't seen it.)
I attended the (extremely) crowded Friday 10pm showing of Iron Man. Please, citizens of Knoxviews, heap your scorn.
We want to get folks downtown, not bore the piss out of them.
The preferred movie link wouldn't open in OS X.
But, I ask you, would you honestly go to a movie at 9:30 on a Sunday morning? They rent the theatre out on Sunday morning to a congregation that doesn't have a building. It happens in theatres all over the country both at urban sites and suburban sites. Get over it.
If you don't like what they are showing, write them a letter, call them, picket the theatre, picket their headquarters, boycott. Do something proactive, but don't whine to folks in general about what they do on Sunday morning. It doesn't accomplish anything.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
Last I checked Regal was a private company so it's really non-issue. Also anti-clericalism is infantile. WATCH OUT THEY MIGHT WEAR FUNNY HATS OR READ AN ANCIENT TEXT AND DO SOMETHING SACRED!
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
last i checked, the city - through IDB - owned the movie theater, although there are some private investors involved ..
i don't know what the lease agreement is between the church and the city, though. i do recall that the city provided space to churches for services and meetings in the candy factory. it would be nice if the city accommodated the local cinematheque - if there is one - in a close-in, central location.
I still don't understand the problem you have with it. It's not like they are casting Xian cooties everywhere and converting the wogs at the end of a bayonet.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
Yeah. I really wanted to watch "No Country for Old Men" on Gay Street, but was disappointed. (and still haven't seen it.)
Disappointed in what? Any particular reason you didn't go?
~m.
I don't understand Michael Kaplan's objections to the church service on Sunday morning. Why is this a problem for you?
As for "No Country for Old Men," I too was disappointed that this wasn't shown at the downtown theater when it was released. We had to head out to Downtown West to see it. It was only weeks later...I think perhaps after it cleaned up at the Oscars...that it was shown there and then only briefly. The same happened with "There Will Be Blood."
I think this may be the link he was trying to reference.
thanks for the head's up. i've corrected the link in the original post.
My understanding is that the portion of the building occupied by the Riviera is leased to them. My assumption is that they can sublease the space (or its use) as they see fit.
~m.
Yep.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
Yes, it would be great if we had a 77-seat art house cinema downtown. And perhaps we will, especially now that downtown has become the undisputed regional heavyweight (cue Vince McMahon) for entertainment (Tennessee Theatre, Bijou Theater, Riviera Theater, Market Square Stage and its many performances, WDVX Blue Plate Special, Theater Central, Valarium, Preservation Pub, World Grotto, Blue Cats, Rossinni, Saturday Night on the Town, Shakespeare on the Square, Worlds Fair Park Performance Lawn, Tennessee Amphitheater, Main Lawn, KMA, Pilot Light, Saturday Night on the Town, and the list goes on... sorry for those I didn't include).
Perhaps rather than bemoaning our lack of such a venue, a better use of energy would be to point out the example and try to rally support for such a development here. With live performance venues of all size and manner, why not recorded performance venues of varying size and stature as well? Surely we can capitalize on the momentum we have in terms of drawing visitors downtown for a varied experience that both appeals to the masses and shows off our uniquely compelling attributes? And perhaps such a facility could be multi-purpose, with local acting groups, musical acts, churches, and others could make use of it as well. Unless your real objection is to any church's use of the space. And that's another matter entirely.
I like the idea of a positive use of energy. What a concept.
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
years before the thing went into construction, i publicly suggested that one of the rooms be dedicated to live performances staged by local theater groups. i gave the example of asheville, which has a couple of small stages at pack place in the middle of its downtown. and years before its doors opened, i publicly suggested the showing of independent films and the installation of 3D projection technology ..
That's well and good but I still don't understand your objection over the religious group using the space.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
>Perhaps rather than bemoaning our lack of such a venue, a better use of >energy would be to point out the example and try to rally support for such >a development here.
Huh? Where's the fun in that?
Cincinnati has something like what you're wanting. It wasn't downtown exactly, but near UC. The Esquire theatre would show independent films (and some mainstream) and there were some nice restaurants nearby and a Graeters ice cream shop.
Art houses aren't generally at the nexus of most city's entertainment districts. And they're usually either the last leg of, or a rejuvenation of, an older cinema that's fallen out of favor. The same can be said of Knoxville, where the Downtown West is one of our oldest movie theaters still operating as such. Brand spanking new multiplexes are rarely prime art film venues.
And as I've said before, Regal would essentially be competing with itself if it showed the same material downtown as Downtown West. Regular patrons of indie films are prone to go where the films they want to see are playing, and location doesn't play as big a role in their decision to watch a film as convenience does when showing major releases produced for mass consumption.
~m.
Meanwhile, a number of your Old North neighbors and others are transforming Happy Holler into several interesting arts and performance spaces - encouraged, in part, by the redevelopment plan that I believe you spent a good bit of time arguing against.
encouraged, in part, by the redevelopment plan that I believe you spent a good bit of time arguing against.
What redevelopment plan might you be referring to? Getting rid of the Candy Factory arts community? If so, I'm not sure I would use the word encouraged.
The Downtown North/I-275 redevelopment plan.
Somewhat dated, but a little background:
Link...
Two things here. First, anyone who thinks that the art community suffered from the move from the Candy Factory to the Emporium can not possibly have been at First Fridays and can not possibly been to the Candy Factory in the last years before it was closed. My wife is an artist and I can tell you there is no comparison. The Candy Factory was a ghost town for the Art Market and others before. Now things on Gay Street are terrific. Ask people with Circle Modern Dance and the other galleries. The art scene now on Gay Street is wonderful and is better than we could have ever hoped.
Now for this subject of this discussion. Kaplan whines to 'look at what we get with the movie.' He whines that a church is using it on Sunday morning. How childish and how embarassing. Just like whining about three protestors that had to move a car. Friends and I worked our asses off to make that movie theater work with the SW. Knox Heritage worked its ass off. Kaplan did nothing but try to undercut us and never lifts a damn finger to help on anything. You want a movie theater for arts films because you don't want to drive to Downtown West. Well get off your ass, find other people if you can, lead a movement, raise money, deal with reality, and make it happen. In other words do something positive, anything. Real work is not whining on the Internet. As an architect I know all there is to do and I know who helps important progressive causes and who can't get over his own petty hatreds and resentments.
First, anyone who thinks that the art community suffered from the move from the Candy Factory to the Emporium can not possibly have been at First Fridays and can not possibly been to the Candy Factory in the last years before it was closed.
I had been to the Candy Factory in the last years before it closed and still miss it. You are correct I have never been to any of the First Fridays and only to the Emporium once on a request/demand. I guess I'm all alone.
The art scene now on Gay Street is wonderful and is better than we could have ever hoped.
Congratulations!
As an architect I know all there is to do and I know who helps important progressive causes and who can't get over his own petty hatreds and resentments.
Hmmmm....
If you gave Kaplan $1m in cash, he'd complain that you did it on a Sunday and the bank wasn't open.
Btw,
If you want a little more info about what's happening in Happy Holler:
Link...
Time Warp Tea Room, a coffee shop and music venue, Club XYZ and Taoist Tai Chi Society are already flourishing in the neighborhood. In February 2007, Jill Tennant opened Central Chic, an eclectic antique store in a building owned by Daniel Shue. Shue has been responsible for much of the development in that area, including another project slated for a fall 2008 inception.
Matt Morelock, WDVX employee and local musician, recently partnered with Josh Sidman, Rita Cochran and Cherie Piercey to open a new business, called The Parlor, in two of Shue’s buildings at 1206 and 1208 Central Avenue. The larger of the two spaces, 1208 Central, will be a music venue and restaurant. The Parlor will feature mostly acoustic musicians, and the restaurant will offer a bagel breakfast, sandwiches at lunchtime and a full dinner menu, and dinner shows for the evenings starting at 7 or 8 p.m.
“Knoxville just doesn’t have a very suitable venue for [WDVX] Blue Plate Special-type performers,” says Morelock. “We have great bar stages, and we have the great Laurel Theater and other larger venues, but there just isn’t a middle-sized room for these types of performers that isn’t a rock venue. When people ask what kind of music it’ll be, I say it will be kind of like ‘Blue Plate P.M.’
“We’re courting the huge audience of music fans in Knoxville who don’t go to any of the venues because the shows all start so late.”
The adjacent space, 1206 Central, will house six teaching studios for private instruction (student recitals will be the opening acts at many of The Parlor shows), a used, vintage-recycled instrument store, an instrument repair and renovation shop, and Morelock’s office. Morelock anticipates a September opening...
An indie cinema would make an interesting addition. The former theater space is already spoken for, however:
Link...
And for more about the developer (a sigma chi, no doubt):
Link...
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