Tue
Apr 29 2008
10:44 am
gonzone's picture

No Way

He's just addressing his base. This guy has a history of racism and has garnered nearly a third of the primary vote in his district as a result in previous elections. Remember this next time you hear a right wing nut accuse someone else of being fascist (Jonah Goldberg got anything to say?)

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

WhitesCreek's picture

He says he was just

He says he was just "witnessing" for Christ. Hitler often professed his christianity and proclaimed that he was just doing god's work. What's the problem?

RayCapps's picture

Not about to say anything in support of this idiot...

But in the interest of keeping the historical record clean, Adolph Hitler detested Christianity, helped Himler put together some sort of occult substitute for the SS, and generally went out of his way to persecute active Christians - especially Catholics.

You can lay the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition at the feet of Christianity, but not the Holocaust.

WhitesCreek's picture

I'm not interested in an argument, so note that I said Hitler...

"Professed" christianity, not at all the same thing as being a Christian, of which we have lots of examples even today.

In the interest of keeping the historical record clean...

...A few Hitler quotes:

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

“I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.”

And this lovely snippet from Mein Kampf:

“Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the ‘remaking’ of the Reich as they call it.”

Seems oddly topical, don't you think?

RayCapps's picture

A few more Hitler Quotes:

What Adolph professed in his public oratories and what he said in private are very different things, as would be the case with many modern politicians. Adolph also cannot be said to be an athiest (as many Christians like to claim). He was, in his private thoughs, as best we can tell, some sort of deist. Before I drop the litany of anti-christian Hitler quotes on you, I'll jump to a beautiful conclusion on Hitler's Theology.

David Gehrig noted that Hitler still sets the gold standard for "easiest rhetorical cheap shot." He related a comment from Usenet that there is an empirical law: As a Usenet discussion gets longer, the probability that someone in it will compare someone else in it to Hitler asymptotically approaches 1. In other words, atheists looking for a quick cheap-shot may claim Hitler was a Christian; similarly, Christians looking for a quick shot may claim he was an atheist. Know what? Hitler was a vegetarian! Oooh, those evil vegetarians! He also recommended that parents give their children milk to drink instead of beer and started the first anti-smoking campaign. (So by the "reasoning" used in these types of arguments, if you are truly anti-Hitler, you should smoke heavily and only give your baby beer!) Better watch out, though he was an oxygen-breather, too! In other words, does it really matter whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian or whatever? Just because somebody may hold a particular worldview (along with other views) doesn't make him a spokesman for that view, or even remotely representative of others who hold that view. No matter how his madness is painted, he was still evil incarnate.

I have one more quote to share on this topic. This, again, from David Gehrig: "Let's save the rhetorical comparisons to Hitler and Nazis for those who really deserve them--hate groups who proudly assume the Nazi mantle, and 'Holocaust revisionists' who would fantasize away Hitler's genocidal crimes."

Now for those quotes:

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.

All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday:

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday:

The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

19th October, 1941, night:

The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

21st October, 1941, midday:

Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)

13th December, 1941, midnight:

Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)

bill young's picture

American Nazi Party

Dont forget Chicago has always been a beachead for
the American Nazi party.

For example,during Dr King's campaign for Fair Housing in Chicago '66.

The American Nazi Party held protest rallies led
by George Lincoln Rockwell.

Those rallys drew big crowds in the Chicago suburb of Cicero.

Chicago Nazis

Like the Blues Brothers said

Elwood:Illinois Nazis
Jake:I hate Illinois Nazis

Factchecker's picture

How can McCain expain this away?

Well, this proves it. Since the candidate is Republican, then obviously McCain's connection to the party clearly means he is responsible for this event and the statements made by those there.

I'm sure this is now the constant, sole topic on Fox & Friends.

Konamazing's picture

:D

As long as he doesn't stand next to me on judgment day....

LOL!

When asked if he was a Nazi or sympathized with Nazis or white supremacists, Zirkle replied he didn't know enough about the group to either favor it or oppose it.

I can hear him now, "Hi guys, wow, those are cool arm bands. What does the squiggly thing mean?"

What a douche.

RayCapps's picture

No, I think the matter is quite clear:

I can hear him now, "Hi guys, wow, those are cool arm bands. What does the squiggly thing mean?"

He obviously was laboring under the mistaken belief he was addressing a Hindu organization celebrating Ganesha, and that the swastika clearly meant the sun's wheel.

ATSF616's picture

I'm deeply embarrassed to admit....

......he's running in the Republican primary for my congressional district.

Here's his website, if you have the stomach for it:

(link...)

Johnny Ringo's picture

Tony Zirkle, responding to

Tony Zirkle, responding to this story, said that "although I have been a member of the National Socialist Worker's Party for 20 years, I was angered and outraged to discover that the Party is anti-semitic and racist. The party's stands on these issues are outrageous and wrong and directly contradict everything I've done in my life."

A spokesman for the National Socialist Worker's Party responded: "We both know that, if Tony Zirkle did not say what he said, he would never get elected. Politicians say what they say and do what they do based on electability, based on sound bites, based on polls, Huffington, whoever’s doing the polls."

bobaubin's picture

Completely ridiculous. Nice

Completely ridiculous. Nice job conflating things that are in no way comparble to bring across a tired and ignorant idea - way to go Johnny!

Obama is not racist - the idea is laughable. Trinity Church is not anti-semitic or racist, Wright is an egomanic who betrayed a man who once looked up to him. Still, Wright did not direct the extermination of 1000's of Jews and others. Your petty Nazi comparison is disgusting.

~ Bob Aubin
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"When we've been told we're not ready or that we shouldn't try or that we can't, generations of Americans have responded with a simple creed that sums up the spirit of a people: Yes, we can." ~ Barack Obama

RayCapps's picture

Hmm...

Did someone forget to follow the link to see who the Nazi in question actually was? Not Wright.

Johnny Ringo's picture

Never said he was Bob. The

Never said he was Bob. The comparable idea is the suggestion that one could be a part of an organization that espouses views as extreme and radical and hateful as those of Rev. Wright's church for 20 years, and then somehow ask people to accept that he had no idea that the organization espoused extremist and radical views. That's the true absurdity.

Of course, if you don't find Rev. Wright's views to be extreme and radical and hateful, then the point I suppose would be lost. It apparently hasn't been lost on Obama, who yesterday distanced himself as vigorously and thoroughly as he could from Wright.

gonzone's picture

Amen

You tell it sister!!

Let's hear about McCain's religion now, how about it? And let's not forget how he pursued and gained Hagee's endorsement. And then, let's get into the real nuts, how about the leader of World Harvest Church endorsing McCain after getting a big slurpee from the old man.

I guess we can't have a national election without the media standing up some "crazy black preacher" but the crazy white ones? Where? What you talkin' 'bout Willis?

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson

RayCapps's picture

The Media?

The media is just trying to sell its papers and improve its neilsen numbers. Whatever story has legs about anyone is fair game to them. They're equal opportunity attack dogs.

This is a scandal for two reasons.

First, someone or someones opposed to Obama managed to get enough buzz around it to get some air time.

Second, the public understood the story and responded by gobbling it up. So now we get a steady diet of the Rev. Wright news.

Face it, the Wright story doesn't require the news reader or news watcher to do much actual thinking. It goes straight from the eyes to the emotional response neurons in the brain, little actual processing required. It takes far less effort to grasp than, say, the difference between mandated individual health insurance and optional individual health insurance and what the net of effects of either would be. Elections are won or lost based on whether or not you have that "Dukakis in a tank" moment.

Andy Axel's picture

Face it, the Wright story

Face it, the Wright story doesn't require the news reader or news watcher to do much actual thinking.

More to the point: It doesn't require the news REPORTER to do much actual thinking.

It's facile narrative. It's a game of "Hey, Rube!"

Only you're the one being run here.

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