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A Young Democrat against ObamaSubmitted by adanovi on Fri, 2008/03/07 - 7:44am.
I am for progressive values and ideals. I am for bringing people together to create a better future. But, I am NOT for Obama. I do not support someone whose entire campaign has been based on a speech they made as a state Senator in the comforts of their chambers. A speech is not a vote. Obama never even cast a vote on the resolution and if he had been in the Senate, his current voting record suggests that he would have voted "present." I do not see him having the courage of Kucinich or Feingold. I highly doubt that his squeaky clean rhetoric that was spouted in Illinois would be so bold if he had REALLY been an elected member of the Senate. I DO NOT support a man who talks about race in the most subtle and unsubtle ways in order to drum up votes. He does this when he specifically refers to race in his speeches. "This is not about being black or white" is specifically using race and it makes him the black candidate or "the one" (quote from Oprah) rather than a well grounded candidate reaching out to people. His cadence in his speeches, especially in high minority areas and ESPECIALLY in the South is that of a southern black preacher. It is so pronounced and obvious that he's trying to be the "black" candidate that he goes so far as to mispronounce America! However when he's interviewed this "accent" or cadence completely disappears. I believe this is just more of the facade of Obama. I feel it is extremely unfortunate and disgusting that Obama has chosen to sink to these lows especially after we just had a minority candidate emulate how to run for a national office as a real uniter rather than this psuedo uniter that Barack Obama is. The best example of this minority candidate was Harold Ford Jr. His campaign was about platform and ideas. He ran without EVER talking about race and without ever talking about NOT talking about race. Obama has not done this. I find it disgusting and painful that Obama continues to trump around "race" within his speeches. His own actions have caused the divisiveness in the campaign. It's time for him to get over his own racial issues and run as a grounded candidate with a platform rather than the African American political messiah! I further do not support a candidate who cannot present specific ideas on any issue. This is dangerous to the country. We, the voters, do not know what to hold Obama accountable for when he only stands for "change". Guess what, we will have change no matter who wins the election. What type of change we want, how we want that change, and when we want the change should be the dictating factors of selecting a nominee; not that the nominee will bring about change. I do not support a candidate who uses living in Indonesia for four years as a child as a base for having the best international relations policies. He specifically stated this on November 19, 2007 at a speech in Iowa. Personally, after I traveled over seas to two different countries and hosted international camp counselors from literally all over the world, I find it insulting that Obama assumes to have a complete worldview understanding based on his experiences as a 6-10 year old boy! He would have done better to claim that he has limited international experience or to point to something, anything that he has done as an adult, espeically as an elected officer. But, to reach so far as to insinuate that he had the skills as a baby to internalize his experiences for his future presidency represents the height of arrogance and an arrogant president is NOT what this country needs in the next term! I am not for a candidate who has so little to stand on that they give any progressive ideals away by claiming that they will include all Republicans. This is naive of Obama. Does he actually believe that without a veto-proof legislative majority that the Republicans actually want to work with him? He is not a political god and the Republicans actually have very little motivation to meet his goals because he's already said that he's basically willing to go meet theirs. This is not acceptable out of a candidate who is seeking the Democratic Party nomination. Lastly, I, as a registered Young Democrat am sickened and insulted by Obama's comment that "I know that if I get the nomination her people would support me because I'm the Democrat, but I don't think that I can say that my supporters could support her should she be the nominee." That was said on the same day that Michelle Obama said on Good Morning America that she just didn't know if she could support Hillary should she get the nomination. This type of rhetoric and attitude is actually dividing our party and will be the same kind of attitude to divide this country. It's time to STOP giving Obama a free pass because people either want to feel like they're on a perpetual feel-good honeymoon or because they feel that it's wrong or not politically correct to question the African American candidate. Obama needs to answer questions, take a real stand, stop using the race card, stop trying to channel the cadences of previous black leaders like MLK, stop using the party as his personal vehicle for divisiveness while running for the party's nomination, stop talking about how bad superdelegates are in public while viciously "working" them in private (especially the black superdelegates), and to stop giving away any progressive position by saying that he will work with any and all Republicans anywhere at any time. ( categories: )
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An Obamanation
I thought Tennessee was a non registration state. Like it matters who you support in TN. The Republican will win this state.
"I find it insulting that Obama assumes to have a complete worldview understanding based on his experiences as a 6-10 year old boy!"
Given the foreign relations skills of Bush, this would seem to be an improvement. Anyhow, I looks like the Clintonistas are getting scared.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
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Nice post, though you obviously haven't read any of his policy or issue stances on his website.
At least most of us will argue against you that Obama is far and away a much better choice than a seasoned liar (i mean, politician) like Hillary.
And by most, I mean most of the populace who voted in the primaries, as well as most of the states.
As opposed to being the unseasoned liar (I mean, politician) that Obama might be?
I mean, WTF? Is Obama not in politics? What kind of hoodoo is that?
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With the possible exception of things like box scores, race results, and stock market tabulations, there is no such thing as Objective Journalism. The phrase itself is a pompous contradiction in terms.
As Pan2 pointed out, Obama has plenty to say about the issues on his website. I find it refreshing that we finally have a Democratic candidate that understands how to speak to voters. Having yet another candidate that's good on the issues and not good with the media or voters, is not a recipe for a winning election.
Bill Clinton has the same cadence thing that Obama does and Hillary has barely more experience that Obama. Thankfully the media is starting to challenge her on the "vast experience" she claims.
I think Pat Buchanan put it best the other night on Hardball when he said that this is the year of the angry white woman. It looks like their candidate won't get the nomination and the longer this goes on, the uglier the comments get.
I think Pat Buchanan put it best the other night on Hardball when he said that this is the year of the angry white woman. It looks like their candidate won't get the nomination and the longer this goes on, the uglier the comments get.
You know, I'm a white woman who voted for Hillary, and I've yet to say anything "ugly" about Obama. In fact, I've repeatedly said that I'm fine with him being the nominee.
However, stuff like this does push me toward angry, and I'm rapidly losing my patience with Obama supporters who act like Clinton voters can't possibly have a decent thought in their poor little girlish heads. If the nominee, Obama has my vote in the general. But to win my my active and engaged support, you guys are gonna have to show me some respect. I can't work with people who think I'm stupid, or duped, or duplicitous, or who make you crazy because I voted for Hillary (all of which I have been called by Obama supporters).
BTW, I think the post that started this thread was over the top - kinda like Carole Borges' posts from the other side are over the top.
I can't work with people who think I'm stupid, or duped, or duplicitous, or who make you crazy because I voted for Hillary
Yeah!
Obama is far and away a much better choice than a seasoned liar (i mean, politician)
Of course, he hasn't been completely vetted yet.
He may have the most votes right now, not including Florida. However, the primary isn't over yet.
Because I was talking about you right? Or did I just offend the sisterhood? I've heard a Clinton supporter say she was angry because black men got the vote before white women and now one is going to be President first too. I've heard more than one say she won't vote for Obama if he gets the nomination. Then there's the generic "glass ceiling" comments, like that's supposed to mean something as a qualification for office.
The fact is that she is very qualified to be President. Which has nothing to do with her being a woman or a Clinton.
Danovi, who, until you commented Rachel, was this thread's designated "angry white woman", needs to give it a rest. We get it, you don't like Obama, love the Clintons and want a woman President.
We get it, you don't like Obama, love the Clintons and want a woman President.
Damn. You need a course in reading comprehension. Show me where I said either of those three things.
I asked for respect from Obama supporters so we could work together to get him elected. When I get stuff like this back, it makes me want to sit on my hands until election day.
Please note that this has nothing to do with Obama. I will vote for him against McCain; that's an absolute no brainer. I'm not fed up with Obama.
I'm fed up with his supporters who are doing their best to make it impossible for to work side by side with them to get Obama elected. You guys really are doing your candidate a disservice.
Makes you long for the John Edwards candidacy. Oh, wait. He's a white male. It disgusts me to see this conversation taking place. Way to play into the Gooopers hands, kids.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
I guess I wasn't clear enough that I was addressing Danovi. You (now I am addressing you Rachel) are working in the opposite direction if you're trying to remove yourself from the "angry white woman" group.
That's great that Obama will have your vote in November should he get the nomination.
I've been an angry white woman since about 1972. I don't aim to give it up.
I think Hillary has been the target of a lot of misogyny. That said, I didn't vote for her because she has ovaries. I thought she was the best candidate.
However, if the contest is Obama v. McCain - well, then it's no contest. The country can't stand 4 more years of a Bush administration.
The Democratic Party has two perfectly capable candidates to
take overimprove the office of President. Currently it appears that Barack Obama may become the nominee.I voted for Hillary but I will be damned if I will bash Obama in a public forum such as this and hand ammunition to that bunch that is currently in power.
These threads by a young Democrat contain enough bile spewed at a good Democrat for the supposed benefit of another good Democrat to merit a job offer from the Republican Party should Hillary lose the nomination.
Is that part of being a Democrat? Is that why Will Rogers said that he did not belong to an organized political party, he was a Democrat? Is that why Democrats are so adept at plucking defeat from the jaws of victory?
Democrats need to be Democrats first and candidate advocates second. If your chosen one does not become the nominee, will you help us get another Judge Alito by voting for John McCain, will you stay home, or will you just hold your breath until your face turns blue?
Either choice is pretty childish.
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So essentially you are saying that because you are too lazy to find that which is easily available or, because you are too freakin stupid, none of us should like or vote for Obama. Is that about it?
You are an idiot. I make that assessment based not on your support of Hillary, it comes as no surprise to me that many believe Hillary to be the right choice. No, you have willfully and willingly chosen idiocy and ignorance as your weapons in your battle against Obama. You are not the only one. I am quite frankly, tired of having to argue how the appointment of more supremes and other important positions justify voting for Hillary even if she attracts idiots like you. However, I do believe that is true. Your best bet is to shut up around liberals and maybe, go to rethug sites to spout your idiocy. Maybe you will convince some McCain supporters to cross over to the Obama camp to make sure that Hillary doesn't win this and put folks like you in positions of authority.
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It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.
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I have a book called "Good Women Get Angry," I don't think I've ever even read it, don't need to. I remember a common mantra in 04 was " The question shouldn't be why is Howard Dean angry, it should be why aren't you." The peanut gallery can beat up on Angela or Geraldine or Hillary or whoever, the Rev. can say assinine stuff, but don't let the girls raise their voices, that wouldn't be attractive. I thought Obama did well in his speech this week, but I hate that in this primary that it is so politically un-correct to support a very qualified woman.
The top two threads on this board, in terms of activity, are both Obama-bashing indulgences.
If I weren't so pissed off at Hillary Clinton and her supporters right now, I'd think it was funny that even here, on one of those two Obama-bashing threads, Clinton supporters are bellyaching about their candidate being attacked, barely acknowledging what the purpose of these threads is.
I'm developing a deep, visceral dislike of the Clintons, something that would have astonished me not so long ago.
I believe that the Clintons and their True Believers would sacrifice anything and anyone to get this nomination.
The top two threads on this board, in terms of activity, are both Obama-bashing indulgences.
I can only assume you mean the top two current threads. However, what two threads do you mean?
If one of them is this thread by adanovi, it was originally posted on 3/7 and currently has 22 comments. In addition, this thread wasn't even on the "front page". Those responding had to look for it a little. And, the comments are mostly from Obama supporters with a little off topic discussion from Clinton supporters not wanting to be put down for supporting Clinton.
This thread and Stacey Diamond's thread making fun of Obama's name were at the top last night when I poasted this.
Along those lines Betty, have you read this: Link...
You are right - It is funny to see, again and again, Clinton supporters saying they are disrespected by Obama supporters. I've seen so many Obama bashing articles (most as poorly researched as this one) while I don't see too many Obama supporters tearing down Hillary. Oh, it happens in forums like this, but to purposefully sit down and create a diatribe against a likely Democratic candidate in the general election -- laughable.
Playing right into the hands of the Rush Limbaugh's of the world.
Gasp! Those sneaky blacks! They are ganging up on the white candidate.
I think you stating you are a young Democrat in your title is a bit redundant when you keep spelling it out over and over again in you diatribe.
he will never win the presidency. he has made excuses for hate speech. it is a character issue that will not go away. if he gets the nomination, i will have to vote for a republican for the first time in my life.
Fox misled anericans about obama breally badly. This is outrageous. Just see this video to see what i am saying.
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Just see this and look at what you wrote again
What an epidemic.
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With the possible exception of things like box scores, race results, and stock market tabulations, there is no such thing as Objective Journalism. The phrase itself is a pompous contradiction in terms.
According to Sinbad, Hillary Clinton went to Bosnia. I love Sinbad. Therefore, Hillary Clinton is qualified to be President. And she even mentioned that John McCain is qualified to be President. She is SO SMART!!! Besides. She ran under sniper fire in Bosnia while searching for the next meal. Therefore, she is the most qualified candidate. The End.
Footnote. Sinbad, "Speech at tha troops," Tuzla, Bosnia, 1996.
This commentary is exactly how I feel. I am a lifelong Democrat who comes from three generations of Democrats. However, I will either stay home or vote for Nader or McCain in November. The love affair between the majority of the mainstream media and Obama is disgusting. He is completely unqualified and is bringing our political party to ruin. I know a few Democrats who feel this way. I had to hold my nose when I voted for John Kerry, but I will not do this again.
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