Submitted by Carole Borges on Sun, 2008/01/27 - 8:12am.
Hope is not without tremendous power. It is a formidable force that can transform matter. Prayer has been proven to have an affect on an ill person. One word or gesture of hope offered to a hopeless person can ignite action and invite new energy. We've seen it throughout history, in prison camps, in lives broken by disastors, in our everyday lives. Without hope weakness sets in, apathy, and all kinds of negative feelings. People do die of broken hearts. The human spirit can be destroyed by hopelessness.
I guess if you have never experienced the miracles hope can perform, then it might seem like a silly or delusional thing.
"Hope is like a road in the country; there was never a road, but when many people walk on it, the road comes into existence." ~Lin
Yutang
The demographic breakdown of the vote in South Carolina does not bode well for Clinton in the South. Edwards won white men with Obama and Clinton essentially tied for second, and Obama won black men and women by 70 points over Clinton. The only large segment that Clinton won was white women, and that by only nine points over Edwards. If Edwards continues to draw white Democrats (who tend to be much more liberal in the South) and Obama smashes everybody in the black vote, Clinton is going to have a hard time, even in states with lower percentages of African-American voters.
Given the limits of time and money, I'll bet she cuts her losses in the deep South and border states and emphasizes liberal northern states and states with large Hispanic populations for February 5th.
Interestingly, late deciders in South Carolina broke heavily for Obama, the opposite of what happened in New Hampshire. Apparently South Carolina voters didn't much like what went on there the last few days and blamed Clinton for the worst of it, or so says the exit polls. I have to say it all made me pretty queasy, too, but I couldn't trust my gut since I'm surely influenced by already being an Obama supporter.
Submitted by Eleanor A on Sun, 2008/01/27 - 9:18pm.
Wrong answer. 50% of the voters in the Dem primary in SC were black; Obama won by 55%; and this is supposed to be some sort of Pyrrhic victory? Last I checked, South Carolina was John Edwards' home state, and he won it in 2004. So Clinton's beating him there by seven points is a lot more significant than you're making out.
Also, you must be typing this from an outpost circling Saturn if you believe Southern Democrats are more liberal than voters in other parts of the country. Seriously. What on earth are you talking about?
Submitted by Eleanor A on Sun, 2008/01/27 - 10:34pm.
Thanks, Pam. I've been a little busy the last few days and actually hadn't looked at the breakdown. What I said above was incorrect; hadn't realized Obama got a healthy 25% of whites as well. Bully for him, seriously, although I'm still not sure whether that's much of a portent of things to come (HRC got 20% of the black vote, was the biggest vote getter among white women, etc.)
Joan Walsh has the best rundown I've seen, here: Link...
Statistics for those of us into this kind of thing: Link...
Submitted by Andy Axel on Sun, 2008/01/27 - 6:42pm.
I can hope that I can eat. Does that count?
How about aspiration and augury and wishes and fairies and unicorns?
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Submitted by SammySkull on Sun, 2008/01/27 - 7:19pm.
The way I see it, Obama hollers the words hope and change enough so that people start to bite. Who doesn't love flowery rhetoric? That certainly sounds better than Edwards actually making sense about what he will actually do, or does it?
"Hope is like a road in the country; there was never a road, but when many people walk on it, the road comes into existence." ~Lin
Yutang
Sadly, all too often, there's nothing at the end of that road, but we sure walked the hell out of it.
Hope! Hope! Hope! Eh, can't eat 'hope.' Moving along....
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
I dont understand what you mean by such an odd statement...
"cant eat hope."..
No doubt you cant eat..
a desire..anticipation...expectation..
of what is wanted will happen.
I hope a change is comming.
"Only love can conquer hate."
Peace
Hope is not without tremendous power. It is a formidable force that can transform matter. Prayer has been proven to have an affect on an ill person. One word or gesture of hope offered to a hopeless person can ignite action and invite new energy. We've seen it throughout history, in prison camps, in lives broken by disastors, in our everyday lives. Without hope weakness sets in, apathy, and all kinds of negative feelings. People do die of broken hearts. The human spirit can be destroyed by hopelessness.
I guess if you have never experienced the miracles hope can perform, then it might seem like a silly or delusional thing.
"Hope is like a road in the country; there was never a road, but when many people walk on it, the road comes into existence." ~Lin
Yutang
Yes, I'm voting early here in Blount County for Obama on Monday. I can't wait.
I'd love it if Obama came to Knoxville. He could get quite a crowd at UT. Hillary's in Nashville after all.
Sorry, Bill, I don't buy the 'preacher' speak.
I will say this: He just beat a Clinton in a Southern State by 150000 votes. Wow.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
The demographic breakdown of the vote in South Carolina does not bode well for Clinton in the South. Edwards won white men with Obama and Clinton essentially tied for second, and Obama won black men and women by 70 points over Clinton. The only large segment that Clinton won was white women, and that by only nine points over Edwards. If Edwards continues to draw white Democrats (who tend to be much more liberal in the South) and Obama smashes everybody in the black vote, Clinton is going to have a hard time, even in states with lower percentages of African-American voters.
Given the limits of time and money, I'll bet she cuts her losses in the deep South and border states and emphasizes liberal northern states and states with large Hispanic populations for February 5th.
Interestingly, late deciders in South Carolina broke heavily for Obama, the opposite of what happened in New Hampshire. Apparently South Carolina voters didn't much like what went on there the last few days and blamed Clinton for the worst of it, or so says the exit polls. I have to say it all made me pretty queasy, too, but I couldn't trust my gut since I'm surely influenced by already being an Obama supporter.
Wrong answer. 50% of the voters in the Dem primary in SC were black; Obama won by 55%; and this is supposed to be some sort of Pyrrhic victory? Last I checked, South Carolina was John Edwards' home state, and he won it in 2004. So Clinton's beating him there by seven points is a lot more significant than you're making out.
Also, you must be typing this from an outpost circling Saturn if you believe Southern Democrats are more liberal than voters in other parts of the country. Seriously. What on earth are you talking about?
Did you look at the break down of the voters? If not, you need to. I thought they were very telling. pgs
Pam Strickland
"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." ~Kurt Vonnegut
Thanks, Pam. I've been a little busy the last few days and actually hadn't looked at the breakdown. What I said above was incorrect; hadn't realized Obama got a healthy 25% of whites as well. Bully for him, seriously, although I'm still not sure whether that's much of a portent of things to come (HRC got 20% of the black vote, was the biggest vote getter among white women, etc.)
Joan Walsh has the best rundown I've seen, here: Link...
Statistics for those of us into this kind of thing:
Link...
This is great news for us Democrats! !Sí, Se Puede!
Obama as Cesar Chavez? Hrm....
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
well maybe you'll like Caroline Kennedy's endorsement
in the NYT Sunday better.She goes with Obama.
Or maybe you just aint fer him.
Vote for who want come Super Tuesday..I done did
& he won BIG in SC.
It's long,long way from being over.
But tonight is sweet.
You know what I like best about tonight? Once again there was record turnout in a Democratic primary.
And more folks voted in the Democratic primary than the Republican primary. In South Carolina.
This bodes well for November, whoever is the nominee.
Hope is great if you have someone else to deliver on the goods.
Not a single policy out of Obama's mouth that I can discern. Can't eat 'hope.'
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
I can hope that I can eat. Does that count?
How about aspiration and augury and wishes and fairies and unicorns?
____________________________
With the possible exception of things like box scores, race results, and stock market tabulations, there is no such thing as Objective Journalism. The phrase itself is a pompous contradiction in terms.
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
white Democrats (who tend to be much more liberal in the South)
Obviously you don't know much about the political history of the South.
All the Dixiecrats are Republicans now (ok, not all, but most, I'd say).
The way I see it, Obama hollers the words hope and change enough so that people start to bite. Who doesn't love flowery rhetoric? That certainly sounds better than Edwards actually making sense about what he will actually do, or does it?
"Hope is like a road in the country; there was never a road, but when many people walk on it, the road comes into existence." ~Lin
Yutang
Sadly, all too often, there's nothing at the end of that road, but we sure walked the hell out of it.
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