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Dec 9 2013
11:49 am

Steve Hunley at the Focus and Sandra Clark at the Shopper both agree that there is no need to extend School Superintendent McIntyre's contract, which already runs until 2016.

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Observer's picture

the Big Tent has arrived

First Gloria Johnson and Sally Absher, now Sandra Clark and Steve Hunley. This community has a consensus. It is time for the School Board to act and show that the represent the community and not the Chamber. If they fail to do so, can we all agree it is time to flush the School Board? This company town stuff has gone far enough.

jbr's picture

I don't know much about the

I don't know much about the school board, but it looks like the root problems to which these threads are referring are still in place even if the school board is turned over 100 times.

Cece's picture

That is exactly why the

That is exactly why the School Superintendent must have classroom teaching experience. Dr. McIntyre was a poor hire who stayed too long. I fault the Haslam family for this. Their control of the school board is wrong. They make poor choices and stay with them too long. The last thing we need is Bill Haslam as the education President. But his father is obsessed with the dream and our kids suffer because of it. I also fault the Chamber and the Sentinel. They should stay in their lane. They have no business interfering in education.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

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...but it looks like the root problems to which these threads are referring are still in place even if the school board is turned over 100 times.

I can tell you that if I should get a chance to cast a vote from the dais, it will NOT be to make children's answers to that Tripod Survey part of teachers' evaluations next year.

I will decline to approve the recommendations Parthenon has made to date, namely to increase class size in elementary schools and to narrow the curriculum to afford more time to tested subjects in secondary schools.

I will also push to boot Parthenon from the district altogether. Recall that this Gates money is going only to the projects of Gates' choice. Cutting off his money has no impact whatsoever to the KCS budget, so show him to the door.

And I will push to see KCS file suit against Huffman and the State Board over the teacher evaluation model, rather than wait around for the inevitable suit to be filed against the school board.

Shoot, half that filing can be lifted directly from the Florida suit in Federal court right now.

I believe a reconstituted board can hold the line, at the very least, and may well accomplish a great deal, especially in collaboration with other school boards statewide.

Look for an announcement of better organized, better funded statewide collaboration on this front in the coming weeks and months.

Treehouse's picture

And the paper of record?

Yeah, but the News Sentinel is going to have a video place where you can brag about your school accomplishments. What about that? Huh?

Observer's picture

When faced with a crisis the

When faced with a crisis the KNS responds with fake PR to "prove" nothing is wrong. Yet all the other media report what is actually happening. It is pitiful that paper can be bought so cheaply. They have no shame and no soul.

Bbeanster's picture

Clark and Hunley, to put it

Clark and Hunley, to put it mildly, rarely see eye-to-eye. McIntyre ought to withdraw his request. He's going to get some board members beat.

William's picture

Let's dance! Heck with

Let's dance! Heck with postponing a vote, let's see where each school board member stands! No fence straddling on this issue.

Observer's picture

Correct. It will be a litmus

Correct. It will be a litmus test election because Mac wanted security he didn't earn. Another loser will be Big Jim. This will be the last Super he picks. The private jet trick won't work again. But Sandra tried to warn the school board. It is their fault. They are in the bunker.

Hildegard's picture

"He's going to get some board members beat."

They really need to think about that. More and more, public school parents - like me, for example - are paying attention to this problem and assigning blame for it. More and more, it looks like McIntyre's policies and actions are the problem. Under the circumstances, extending his contract a year now would make the school board look just as collaborative as their harshest critics accuse them of being.

That said, comparing Clark's rational, concise editorial to Hunley's rhetorical gripe is a good illustration of how the critics break down. I think it behooves the leaders of any movement to come across to the public as unrelenting, but also as informed and rational. If you want them to listen to you and take action.

Stick's picture

I think it behooves the

I think it behooves the leaders of any movement to come across to the public as unrelenting, but also as informed and rational. If you want them to listen to you and take action.

+1

Rachel's picture

+2. This is EXACTLY the

+2. This is EXACTLY the point I've been trying to make. And failing, to judge by some of the posts I've read.

Stick's picture

Politics 101

I didn't get to see everything b/c of work, but I've got to ask:

So, my Not Verified friends with no ideas, NOW do you see how the teacher challenge will be challenged?

- Angry minority engaged in personal attacks? Check.

- No positive ideas? Check.

The teachers who spoke tonight were eloquent and thoughtful. Take note and follow their lead.

And... Go JC! I thought you were going to kill that mic with your stack of research!

Observer's picture

status quo people can't hear

You and Rachel are a broken record. You keep alleging that teachers have not brought forth "positive" ideas.

That simply isn't true.

Have you seen this video below? This is what started the revolution. And no, it is not a revolt as the KNS says. The speech Lauren Hopson gave last night was even better. But it must be like a dog whistle, only certain people can hear it.

(link...)

These are the three demands the teachers have made to the School Board. They were given by Lauren Hopson in the last School Board meeting.

1. Stop all unmandated testing, unless it identifies students in need of intervention;

2. Follow Federal IDEA laws and implement any and all strategies necessary to assist our special needs students and teachers to be successful;

3. Just as you will do with my letter of concern, shred all, including past, letters of concern; allow our experts in the classroom the freedom and the respect to teach our children; select a teacher evaluation model that is fair and equitable; and pledge that no one in our school system be retaliated against for their First Amendment right of free speech.

So maybe you status quo people can consider these reasonable positive ideas. Or ignore them and pretend they don't exist and were never said. Which has been your MO to this point.

Stick's picture

Two Comments:

1. To my knowledge, this is the first time that you've offered anything of substance to the discussion, albeit taken from what others have said. The teachers who have been speaking out have clear ideas on what they'd like to see change and have a wealth of evidence to back it up. I support them fully and hope that they are successful.

2. Your status quo rhetoric is exactly the same used by those you claim to oppose and hardly reflects any existing reality. I've been working on these issues for a decade and have been discussing current trends in ed reform on this site long before you made an appearance.

Now, please behave yourself and contribute something. The majority of Knox county voters do not follow politics closely. If you want them to take up the cause you must learn to put forth a positive program that clearly articulates what needs to change. Status quo rhetoric demonstrates you to be just as empty as the ed reformers destroying a foundational institution of the republic.

Rachel's picture

You and Rachel are a broken

You and Rachel are a broken record. You keep alleging that teachers have not brought forth "positive" ideas.

Please point to the post where I said any such thing.

Man, it's a sad day on KV when I have to spend most of time pointing out things I DIDN'T say.

And oh yeah, what stick said.

AnonymousOne's picture

How many BOE members have

How many BOE members have written their political epithaph tonight Betty? I counted several.

Observer's picture

The most creative School Board member excuse

This from CWG from KnoxBlab:

"As one school board member explained it to me, choosing to not offer a contract extension - which is not a raise, which McIntyre has actually never had since 2008 - sends the signal to other school districts that he's able to be poached, and given the current turmoil in KCS, it might be even harder to hire anyone better. So, in their perspective, it's better to keep him happy and see if he can follow through with system changes and improve morale in the next year instead of having him sending out resumes while changing nothing in the schools."

Unbelievable. I'm guessing Kincannon or Carson. Wonder who cooked that PR hocus pocus? They live on another planet.

Hildegard's picture

Wow, I hope that's a

Wow, I hope that's a misquote. Because if somebody on the school board said that, that is some serious bullshit.

cwg's picture

It was a paraphrase, not a

It was a paraphrase, not a direct quote. A summation of an entire email in a few sentences. And given politics and given the expense of a new superintendent search, I can see how they think a wait-and-see approach is the most practical thing to do at this point, especially since half the things people are upset about is state policy that no superintendent can change.

Hildegard's picture

I didn't check the Blab, so

I didn't check the Blab, so my "misquote" reference was to what the poster wrote above (like, is s/he misquoting you), not to what you wrote (since I can't see it from here). And I am not one of the people out to throw McIntyre on a tumbrel; I think, more or less in line with what S. Clark said, that he should be given time to work through the issues. So one can practically wait and see without prematurely extending his contract. One of the big arguments going on is whether McIntyre deserves the vote of confidence that the extension would equate, or if he deserves the pressure that delaying it for a year would put on him. The paraphrase underscores how completely polarized the perceptions of the board and the teachers are.

However, I do think it is bullshit that delaying the extension of his contract will be the thing that sends him running for a new job. That's what his detractors want; I doubt it's what he wants but if he does, I can't imagine why the promise of one mere extra year would change anything. I acknowledged elsewhere on this site that a lot of what people are bitching about is entrenched Nashville policy that nobody here can much change (other than maybe legislators); but how it gets implemented locally is obviously a pretty raw wound for a great many people.

I think the issues are valid and important enough for reasonable minds to speak out, against all the loopy, hysterical accusations of bribery and corporate collusion - which I should hasten to add is even deeper bullshit, and exactly the thing that turns people off and creates apathy.

Average Guy's picture

I think the issues are valid

I think the issues are valid and important enough for reasonable minds to speak out, against all the loopy, hysterical accusations of bribery and corporate collusion - which I should hasten to add is even deeper bullshit, and exactly the thing that turns people off and creates apathy.

Collusion would entail illegal intent, and I'm not saying it's illegal.

But just for clarity, because you and others keep pointing to some sort of hysteria, can you tell me why you think Parthenon is in Knox County and whether or not the service they contract out could be done internally?

Hildegard's picture

I'm not talking about

I'm not talking about Parthenon. Or anything you've said, as far as I know.

Average Guy's picture

Glad to know I'm not hysterical

Whether there's anything nefarious or not, residents should do their homework on who Parthenon is, what they do and who brought them here.

Hildegard's picture

I agree. But that's not what

I agree. But that's not what I was talking about.

reform4's picture

If he's go running to another job for $5 more....

... then we don't want him.

Lane Kiffen, anyone? The parallels are astounding.

Min's picture

Poached?

What a crock. No one else is going to want his baggage or his price tag.

Observer's picture

Poach him please

I don't see Jim changing his stripes. I pray someone else wants him and will seduce him away from here. The idea of him hurting these young children one second longer makes me ill. This is the naked Emperor. The football coach you can't get rid of. I don't believe the man has any empathy for these students. They are widgets being stamped out at a factory.

Instead of a moving van at his house, maybe we should post his resume at Monster.com? I wish we could talk someone into taking him.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

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...against all the loopy, hysterical accusations of bribery and corporate collusion - which I should hasten to add is even deeper bullshit...

Should I understand you to be saying here that you are NOT persuaded that the U. S. Chamber of Commerce, the Gates/Broad/Walton Foundations, and Rhee/Huffman are working together to privatize public education?

Hopefully, you'll tell me I misunderstand your meaning?

Hildegard's picture

I'm talking about comments

I'm talking about comments I've read in this and other threads imagining "bribery" scenarios; the superintendent dispatching board members to shut people up; and dark motives behind plane rides with the Claytons. Know-nothing conspiracy flakes have been the bane of every good cause that failed.

I'm not talking about large corporate sponsorship. Repeat: I am NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.

Average Guy's picture

..the superintendent

..the superintendent dispatching board members to shut people up..

Clark started to publicly question McIntyre.

The head of the local Chamber of Commerce told the Knox County superintendent to "talk" to her about this. The super said he would and stated "a few school board members are as well."

Did she ever need a good talking to when there was no criticism?

Tamara Shepherd's picture

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I'm not talking about large corporate sponsorship. Repeat: I am NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.

Ah, thanks for that distinction. We understand each other.

(Off to tune in Comcast channel 10.)

Tamara Shepherd's picture

FIFTY PEOPLE...

...SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC FORUM! WOW!

Min's picture

This is going to be good.

This is going to be good.

Just wondering....'s picture

Reuters story re: The Parthenon Group

See the August 2, 2012 Reuters story published on Huffington Post titled Privatizing Public Schools: Big Firms Eyeing Profits....

Average Guy's picture

The Urban League speaker

Did she say Dr. McIntyre was on the Urban League's board?

She has every right to advocate for him, but I wish all speakers would disclose any conflicts or affiliations.

AnonymousOne's picture

"but also as informed and

"but also as informed and rational. If you want them to listen to you and take action."

I'm sorry, I didn't know the voters are supposed to pass a literacy test and to be kind and gentle, oh and let's not forget "respectful" to have their representatives pay attention to them.

What bs. You all can come up with every excuse you want to, and it still won't wash.

Give it up, before you get run over.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

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Joan Grim is next speaker. Thanks, Joan.

AnonymousOne's picture

Kincannon, Carson et al are

Kincannon, Carson et al are whistling past the graveyard. If they can't take the heat, to paraphrase Truman, get out of public service.

Turn your back on the voters and the public, and you'll be gone from the BOE next election.

They are enemies of the people and the children.

Bbeanster's picture

At least two, I'd say. It was

At least two, I'd say.

It was excruciating to listen to Trainor.

AnonymousOne's picture

It's particularly insulting

It's particularly insulting that so many of the BOE members are saying the appreciate everyone's participation in the "process."

They're still not listening.

If they think the "mo" against them is going to disappear because they just managed to diss them and their courage, lol.

AnonymousOne's picture

I'd say a lot of candidates

I'd say a lot of candidates will be stepping up to the candidate's plate in the future.

Lot of BOE members who have NO business being on a leggislative body.

reform4's picture

What's the deadline?

For nominating petitions? Could we get more entrants?

AnonymousOne's picture

"They work for Dr.

"They work for Dr. McIntyre?"

Well, it's in the record now. Of course we all have known it for some time.

Average Guy's picture

Unable to watch

Will you put this comment in context?

Tamara Shepherd's picture

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8-1 to extend the contract through 2017, McMillan "no."

Was it Fugate who asked teachers in the audience to trade out with the board: The board is "appointing" a work force inclusive of some teachers, so teachers should support the board's upcoming budget request?

More strategic comp layered atop that broken evaluation formula, I guess?

AnonymousOne's picture

A BOE member said it tonight

A BOE member said it tonight near the end.

AnonymousOne's picture

Gloria Deathridge said it.

Gloria Deathridge said it. Maybe if you ask politely and rationally, she'll clear it up for you ;)

Average Guy's picture

Did she say it in a way that

Did she say it in a way that didn't sound clueless to her position?

AnonymousOne's picture

She said it in a way that

She said it in a way that shows how BOE/Central Office sees the teachers: they hate them.

Bbeanster's picture

The fiery Bob Savery was

The fiery Bob Savery was quite nice to Karen Carson's daughter, I thought.

lonnie's picture

I was unable to go to the

I was unable to go to the meeting and did not hear Bob.Bob Savery does a great job in the classroom.The students love him. He is well respected and whatever he said, he has the courage to tell the truth. Way to go Bob! We need a few thousand more like him sounding off the truth.

Bbeanster's picture

Oh! There's this:Some of

Oh! There's this:
Some of these people need to get a grip.

It's dumber than dirt to accuse a room full teachers of calling McIntyre Hitler on the basis of that silly Hitler in a bunker video.
They don't know who made the bunker video, and they evidently don't know that it's been standard political satire for the last 7-8 years.
There's this: (link...)
And all these: (link...)

And if Trainor wanted to protect her constituent's anonymity, she should have deleted the name from the silly email before she forwarded it to the board secretary marked "This is Huge!!!!" Or she should have simply deleted the name and sent it herself.
Or better still, she should have recognized it as irrational and insulting to teachers and just let it go.
She had no reasonable basis to attack Mike McMillan.

Tamara Shepherd's picture

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I had to leave the room twice during that lengthy scolding Trainor delivered to McMillan over the constituent's e-mail.

I caught that he'd forwarded it to someone, but to whom?

And what was the e-mail about that was so "huge?"

reform4's picture

Don't forget this local favorite of mine....

"Hitler Finds Out Tim Burchett Will Run Against Tim Hutchison"

(link...)

same author?

AnonymousOne's picture

I thought all emails to

I thought all emails to public officials are open to the public. I've always assumed mine are.

Bbeanster's picture

Of course they're public. I

Of course they're public.

I cannot imagine what was in Trainor's mind.

Min's picture

If I were to guess...

...I would say very little. It is ridiculous that these people don't understand how the Public Records Act applies to communications from constituents and don't seem to be aware of the statutory provisions concerning the board's duty to, and I quote, "manage and control all public schools established or that may be established under its jurisdiction."

It's the board's job to run the school system. McIntryre is just another employee hired to carry out the board's directives.

reform4's picture

Another Observation

Will the controversy and growing public opposition scare of outside "investors" in the grand scheme to privatize the whole system? I mean, there's 100s of other school systems ripe for the pickin', and any investor is going to take the path of least resistance.

Similarly, opposition can slow down the rate at which change gets shoved down from Huffman et al.

If so, we need to sustain the opposition and publicity as much as possible. We may not have won this battle, but we can still win the war. Or at least significantly minimize the damage.

Bbeanster's picture

Here's what I was told by a

Here's what I was told by a teacher about the Hitler video – the KCS administration has used it:

"It is a pretty huge point that the same video was used by KCS in a TEAM training with different subtitles."

Observer's picture

Two teacher friends told me

Two teacher friends told me the same thing. That KCS had used the Hitler video for training. They most have skipped over satire at the school Pam Trainor went to.

Does anyone have a link to it?

Average Guy's picture

The video is just a tool

It's a "look at them, look at the things they say" kind of tool.

I'm guessing it's not coincidence some trolls dug up R's April Fools joke yesterday.

Hildegard's picture

The first parody of this clip

The first parody of this clip (from the 2004 film Decline and Fall) that I saw was circulated during the 2008 Democratic presidential primary. It was hilarious, but it didn't make this list, published in 2009. So yeah, it's a dinosaur of an internet meme.

AnonymousOne's picture

So if KCS has used it, could

So if KCS has used it, could we assume KCS is using it to falsely accuse teachers and to make them look bad?

Did it really come from a teacher or from KCS? That's a major accusation on KCS's part if they are just drumming this stuff up to make teachers look bad. Perhaps an Ethics Committee issue?

Cece's picture

here it is

"Here's what I was told by a teacher about the Hitler video – the KCS administration has used it:

"It is a pretty huge point that the same video was used by KCS in a TEAM training with different subtitles."

I got this from a teacher friend. This is the bunker video KCS used.

(link...)

So is this version funny?

Maybe Pam Trainor and Sandra Rowcliffe will tell us. Since they were so offended.

reform4's picture

Whoever made this video

... is obviously calling all school principals Nazis, right?

No, it's really not one of the funnier ones I've seen. I thought the line "do you want this to become a charter school?" and "we should just hand out vouchers at registration" was kind of telling.

Bbeanster's picture

So if KCS has used it, could

So if KCS has used it, could we assume KCS is using it to falsely accuse teachers and to make them look bad?

Did it really come from a teacher or from KCS? That's a major accusation on KCS's part if they are just drumming this stuff up to make teachers look bad. Perhaps an Ethics Committee issue?

No, we cannot assume that. We don't know who did the Hitler video.

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