NYTimes has it on TimesCast. She's called him on every BS-got-it-straight-from-Sean-Hannity line he's puked. Keep watching. It is setting up as a tour de force.

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Stick's picture

Talk about a mismatch...

Talk about a mismatch...

marytheprez's picture

Go, HILLARY...you tell him.

Gooooo HILLARY! He has NO CLUE about foreign policy. Somebody ought to look up his sorry record of voting against State Dept pleas for more money to help protect those in harm's way....in Benghazi, and other places where our diplomats have been in harm's way. This Congress voted down their requests twice!

Yea! A good strong Democratic woman tellin' 'em that they are through using this President like a slave, and they better pay attention. These old white fools in Congress still don't know they LOST this election, especially McStoopid, who seems to think he still has a chance to have a 'do-over' and win an election with Palin running his campaign into the ground.

She WILL run in 2016...run all over their sorry, no count arses. I am so proud of her.

Underthebusdem's picture

When it comes to Hillary I

When it comes to Hillary I think she has been one of the most transformative women for nearly 2 generations of women (her own generation and my generation). Time and again she has literally rewritten the rules for women, from what defines appropriate attire to what conversations can women be a part of to what can women accomplish. She has gone through more personal and professional phases than I can even imagine, and I truly believe through these last four years she has entered a new phase of herself and I think people are attracted to the image of this woman who just professionally told some snake in the grass politicians where they could go. I could be wrong, she could run, but she'll be the oldest candidate out there and she has the equivalent of a lifetime of public global appearances, public statements, voting records, photos, and hairstyles that can and will all be used against her. Since JFK, the old candidates don't win and she may be very wealthy and able to use some of that wealth to buy some manufactured youth (which can also be effectively used against her) but it's very hard to overcome the glare of the camera and the overhead lights (see the front page of the New York Post). I do believe she made it easier for someone in the future. But, I don't see, today, us electing an elder stateswoman with such a vast history and record. It makes it too damn easy to tear her down. The candidates of the future are going to be the young buddies who you can have a virtual beer with and who you can imagine playing sports with. They're going to be your bffs in your phone and in your virtual life. They'll be the ultimate actors with the real adults, the real professionals, behind them hopefully keeping the damn place from falling apart. That was what Hillary was to Obama and she is stronger today and he is a better president for it.

Pam Strickland's picture

I'm not convinced HRC will

I'm not convinced HRC will run. I'm truly willing to take her word that she's ready to take some time off. And I think she's mostly interested in doing things that more directly affect women's lives.

AnonymousOne's picture

She's taking time off to

She's taking time off to recuperate, refresh, and rejuvenate. Plus, play some politics without the governmental restrictions and all the exhausting travelling.

jcgrim's picture

She's gonna run in 2016

I heard this from a source in DC who works for a cabinet member.

metulj's picture

I bet you know a guy close to

I bet you know a guy close to Butch Jones too.

metulj's picture

I doubt she will be able to

I doubt she will be able to avoid it.

Pam Strickland's picture

What the hell does that mean?

What the hell does that mean?

metulj's picture

It means that the money will

It means that the money will be there for her to run and "THE TEAM" will be in place and she will be compelled to run. She'd win, but she's up against a weak GOP and she would siphon a lot of right-center women, weakening the GOP even further, with her conservative Democrat chops.

bizgrrl's picture

Hmmmm...

Hmmmm...

Rachel's picture

I do not pretend to be able

I do not pretend to be able to read Sec. Clinton's mind. And I have a poor record at guessing what she's gonna do cause I didn't think she'd run for the Senate.

That said, I hope she runs. Hope, hope, hope!

metulj's picture

Why? What's the upside? She's

Why? What's the upside? She's politically more conservative than her husband and that's about as far right as one can go and still be a Democrat.

Rachel's picture

You got a better Democratic

You got a better Democratic candidate? I don't see one out there.

And selfishly, she's probably the only chance I've got to see a female President in my lifetime. I'm past ready for that to happen.

metulj's picture

Sexism is not becoming you,

Sexism is not becoming you, friend.

Better candidates: Amy Klobuchar, Deval Patrick, and Andrew Cuomo.

Rachel's picture

I love Amy Klobuchar. I

I love Amy Klobuchar and I hope she has a great future. But I don't see her being able to win in 2016; not enough name recognition. Devel Patrick? Meh. Andy Cuomo might have a chance but he's SO damn full of himself.

And the Ds need somebody who could win, and HRC can win. Cause God help us if the Rs take back the WH in 2016; they're not gonna be purged of the crazy by then.

(You know, if my comment was sexist, so be it. It far from balances out all the sexism I've endured in my lifetime. And I'm assuming you know that I wouldn't vote for a woman if she weren't qualifed.)

Bbeanster's picture

Amy Klobuchar, Deval Patrick,

Amy Klobuchar, Deval Patrick, and Andrew Cuomo.

None of them could win, and Cuomo is freakin' creepy.

metulj's picture

Name recognition

/time machine/It's 2003 in the depths of Democrat despair over the Bush regime. Who could be our savior?/time machine/

Why is it that Hillary Clinton in particular assuages years of sexist behavior? Why, in particular, HRC? I just don't get it.

Cuomo and Creepy: Attention, people of earth, Bill Clinton is a creep.

Rachel's picture

HRC

You keep missing the SHE CAN WIN part.

metulj's picture

So can, as knox rebel notes,

So can, as knox rebel notes, Martin O'Malley. I think there are a bunch of folks nostalgic for the 90s. Well, you know what? The 90s sucked.

Rachel's picture

Why is it that Hillary

Why is it that Hillary Clinton in particular assuages years of sexist behavior? Why, in particular, HRC? I just don't get it.

THAT was your question. My answer was that Hillary is a woman who can win.

BTW, I never heard of Martin O'Malley until just now, and I'm not exactly uninformed. He'd have a heck of a big job to do with the name recognition thing.

As for the 90s, although they were personally quite good to me, I have no desire to bring them back.

metulj's picture

Oh, come on. I am interested.

Oh, come on. I am interested. What does it for you? That she can win? So? She's not a progressive.

Rachel's picture

That she can win? So? So???

That she can win? So?

So??? As I said below, nobody can accomplish anything if they can't win.

Personally, I'd love to see Bernie Sanders in the WH. But would you rather have Marco Rubio or Paul Ryan beat an ideologically pure Dem or have a more centrist Dem win? We're not talking Ben Nelson or Joe Manchin here. We're talking HRC.

That's an easy choice for me.

metulj's picture

But would you rather have

But would you rather have Marco Rubio or Paul Ryan beat an ideologically pure Dem or have a more centrist Dem win?

Now who is doing the "asking questions" thing?

We most likely have a very different definition of progressive between us. HRC does not meet my definition, which does not include corporatists.

Rachel's picture

We most likely have a very

We most likely have a very different definition of progressive between us.

Maybe. I doubt if yours if further to the left than mine. I really, really doubt it.

I'm not saying HRC is a raging progressive. I think she's about where Obama is. And that is acceptable to me if she can win and a more progressive candidate can not.

Here's the thing that's always in the front of my mind when talking Presidential elections: Supreme Court. And that's pretty much enough to get me to do anything I can to keep a Republican from winning.

In Presidential races, as I've said, I'm practical. I never let the better be the enemy of the good.

You're no fan of Bill Clinton. But would we have been better off with another four years of GHW Bush, followed by 4 years of Bob Dole? Cause those were the choices.

metulj's picture

You're no fan of Bill

You're no fan of Bill Clinton. But would we have been better off with another four years of GHW Bush, followed by 4 years of Bob Dole? Cause those were the choices.

Distinction without a difference. As for being "more left," I won't play that game, but rest assured that I rest assured that eventually capitalism is going to get it in the neck, whether it washes out into a warm sea or people just saying "Enough!"

Rachel's picture

Distinction without a

Distinction without a difference.

We shall have to agree to disagree on that one.

metulj's picture

IOW, you quit.

IOW, you quit.

Rachel's picture

Quit?

I've stated my opinion and the reason for it. And I have no interest whatsoever in trying to change your opinion.

So, quit what? Were we playing some game I wasn't aware of?

metulj's picture

"Agree to disagree" is a quit

"Agree to disagree" is a quit position. Clintononian positions: deregulation, NAFTA, SEC gutted, etc. if you think HRC is going to do anything other than what Wall Street wants, you've got anther thing coming.

knoxrebel's picture

Either Biden or Clinton will

Either Biden or Clinton will run, but not both. The early darkhorse is Gov. Martin O'Malley, Maryland. O'Malley is a Democratic governor of an affluent, liberal northeastern state. His perch as the head of the Democratic Governors' Assoc. both gives him a higher profile and the opportunity to earn some favors from pols in place like Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. O’Malley has been traveling the country raising money for Democratic gubernatorial candidates in his capacity as chairman of the DGA and has become a staple of the Sunday morning talk shows in his role as a surrogate for the President.

Andy Axel's picture

The early darkhorse is Gov.

The early darkhorse is Gov. Martin O'Malley, Maryland. O'Malley is a Democratic governor of an affluent, liberal northeastern state.

Only in Knoxviews comments can a state where the northernmost border is the Mason-Dixon line be considered "northeastern."

lonnie's picture

I need a 2016 Clinton bumper

I need a 2016 Clinton bumper sticker. She will run and win. She will take 6 months to a year away from the political scene. She will take time resting and thinking and consulting close advisers and then she will be in. She cannot wait longer than a year because others are waiting to see if she is running. She will need to make her intentions understood to clear the field. The President won in November because of the strong support from women. Women are putting the ignorant males to shame, especially the over 60% of white males that voted for Romney. Women make up a majority of the electorate now. We had the most women ever elected to the Senate and the house in 2012. This is just the beginning. The flood gates have opened and in the next several election cycles women will flex their muscles and finally start having tremendous clout in governing our country. It is the beginning of the end for male and WASP dominance of our country. Hillary will lead the charge for women candidates in 2016. My 85 year old mom, and millions of other women cannot wait to see the first woman President. Times are changing and this white male will be happy when the women straighten out some of the ignorant males that have been leading us down the wrong path. Women look at war and health care and many issues in a much more sensible way than most men. It could be the largest political shift in our history and the one I have been waiting to see. It would sure lesson the chance of another Iraq type war and lead to some sensible legislation like a single payer national health care system. Go Hillary!

metulj's picture

Jamie Dimon thanks you for

Jamie Dimon thanks you for your support of his candidate.

lonnie's picture

Yes, she will have the

Yes, she will have the support of me and about 65 or 70 million other Americans. A few wealthy people including bankers will be in that number I'm sure.
I would have liked for President Obama to have signed his health care plan into law. The President had to get the best deal he thought he could get. Democracy is compromise.Thomas Jefferson realized that after taking office in 1801. There is only so much you can do as President of the U.S., we have two other branches of government. It would be great if Obama could push through a progressive agenda his second term, but the Republican House will put roadblocks all the way. Do you think the most liberal Democrat in the country, if elected President, would make a difference in the policy decisions of Congress given their current membership? You speak of Hillary as though she is the most conservative human in America. I do think overall Bill Clinton was good for the country. He was effective in helping Americans in many ways. I might have agreed with a President that was more to the left, but given the circumstances of the time, Clinton would have been more effective. I think Hillary will be a better President than Bill. In what ways do you think she would be a bad leader? I disagree with your outlook for a HRC presidency.

Rachel's picture

You all know what you think

You all know what you think of HRC and of us. Give it a rest.

metulj's picture

You want to vote for her

You want to vote for her because she is a woman, which is in no way voting for qualification, potential outcomes, or past indicators. I get that. Like I said no "progressive" would support free trade agreements. She does. No vote from me.

Rachel's picture

You want to vote for her

You want to vote for her because she is a woman, which is in no way voting for qualification, potential outcomes, or past indicators.

That's NOT what I said, as you very well know. Stop acting like #9 and putting words in people's mouths.

And stop trying to continue this argument with me. It's gotten pretty boring.

metulj's picture

No, you said you wanted to

No, you said you wanted to vote for a woman. I offered an alternative that was brushed off with "name recognition," which is irrelevant in the post-Obama election environment. It's only boring because I am right. On issues that are progressive, HRC is more than lacking, and, in reality, she's a Wall Street dream.

Rachel's picture

Keep arguing with yourself if

Keep arguing with yourself if you like. As I've said before, I've no interest in changing your opinion and you won't change mine (although you WILL misrepresent it).

metulj's picture

I am not misrepresenting your

I am not misrepresenting your position. I just find it befuddling.

Rachel's picture

I am not misrepresenting your

I am not misrepresenting your position.

You understand my position better than I do.

I quit. And that means you win.

Anything to get you to go away.

lonnie's picture

I am sure that you could list

I am sure that you could list several issues where HRC is not as liberal as you would like. She is a Democrat and the Democrat that stands the best chance of winning the 2016 election. She is very experienced, smart, and qualified. She will win and hopefully you will be surprised and happy with her progressive initiatives. I supported President Obama. That support did not mean I agreed with everything he has done. His Sec. of Education is very wrong and so is Obama in pushing merit pay and the stupid strings attached to their "Race to the top" program and other misguided educational initiatives. He has not been the best in his support of unions . You are not going to find an electable Democratic candidate that you are in agreement with everything. I understand your dislike of NAFTA and a few other Republican backed Bill Clinton policies that benefit the elite. But overall, he had a good record in signing into law the Brady Bill and the Family Leave Act. He expanded health care for children and lowered the infant mortality rate. He had the most diverse cabinet in history including the first woman Sec. of State and Attorney General. He protected the environment. He increased Pell Grants. That sure does not sound like a Republican President. Hillary will be even better.
Being a woman will help her win, but being very qualified and supportive of the Democratic platform will make her a big success. Sorry to keep rambling Rachel, but most of us know he is wrong.

jbr's picture

President Hillary Clinton? If she wants it

From CNN ...

There are few certainties in American politics. But you can write it down: If Hillary Clinton wants to be the next nominee of the Democratic Party to be president, the job is hers.

President Hillary Clinton? If she wants it

lonnie's picture

Good article. The year of my

Good article. The year of my retirement, I will be able to put a woman's picture on my classroom wall beside the 42 white men and 1 African American male.Hmmm... Not a bad way to end a career. I love it when a plan comes together!

Bbeanster's picture

Speaking of Cuomo, reckon his

Speaking of Cuomo, reckon his GF made him a Kwaanza Cake?

(link...)

(And you thought Ann Romney was bad)?

metulj's picture

Yeah, that's great politics.

Yeah, that's great politics. I wonder, if you were to get HRC alone in a quiet place, if you could get her to explain "don't ask, don't tell" without being disingenuous or prevaricating.

Joe P.'s picture

She is feisty

She is feisty

Pam Strickland's picture

If you think HRC is more

If you think HRC is more conservative than BC, you've got a few things to learn about politics and the world, metalj. Quite a few things.

She is a better politician than him, and considerably smarter.

Rachel's picture

She is a better politician

She is a better politician than him, and considerably smarter.

This. Although she doesn't have Bubba's charm. Damn the dog, he can basically throw away the Presidency and still charm ya.

Toby - Actually, I think Hillary has more core beliefs than you give her credit for. But I'd still call her a centrist Dem. You mentioned Amy Klobachar. My politics line up more closely with the latter's. But she can't win in 2016.

Nobody can accomplish anything if they don't win. I'm an idealist at heart but I'm damn practical when it comes to politics. And I'd do just about anything to keep Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio out of the WH.

A lot of Dems couldn't do that. Hillary can.

metulj's picture

I know you are going to play

I know you are going to play the "I knew them when" trump card, but she's a conservative Democrat/Rockefeller GOP on first and last examination. She may be closer to Obama than her husband, but that's not saying much. Sorry. I don't idolize politicians. Also, stop it with the "considerably smarter" shtick. It's completely unmeasurable and just uninteresting.

Pam Strickland's picture

Who said anything about

Who said anything about idolizing. I fon't think she will run and don't want her to run. I wasn't for her the last time around. But I have a great deal of respect for her.

And, yes, there is something to be said for knowing folks up close and personal.

gonzone's picture

I'm thrilled with Hillary

I'm thrilled with Hillary kicking some butt in the hearings!

As for the conversation in this thread in regards to the next Presidential race, well, maybe I'll share my thoughts too. :-)

Bill Clinton was the best Republican President we've had, bar none! And now Obama may topple him from that grand achievement.

I totally agree that Bernie Sanders would be a wonderful President! Woohoo! Gets me excited just considering it!

Hillary would be an acceptable President, much better than anyone the GOP could possibly field. And the fact that she could be the first woman President is pretty grand, that cannot be denied. I would vote for her just because of that single fact. She would, of course, be another very good Republican style President in the mold of our recent ones like Bill or Barack. And that's not bad at all. Surely not ideal but very acceptable.

But for now, I'm celebrating how she kicked some dumbass Tea Potty butt!

Stick's picture

Yes, it was fun to watch a

Yes, it was fun to watch a well educated, intelligent person hand some Tea Party goofballs their butts. However, I've got to part ways with the HRC being an acceptable candidate for Prez discussion.

I understand the whole vote for the lesser of two evils, and that principle certainly informs how I vote. Yet, it is important to note that Republican-lite policies will lead us to ruin just as suredly as the crazies will, perhaps at a slower pace but the endgame is knowable. Third wavers, such as Bill & Hillary, the Rubinites and Obama, have done a lot of damage to the republic, just look at all of the de-regulation during the Clinton years that led to the financial crisis. We're on a destructive path and our continued 'practicality' will only further the process.

gonzone's picture

I find I must agree that we

I find I must agree that we are only slowing the walk to ruin with these candidates. I just don't see how we can do otherwise right now. Sad. I kinda lost my "hopey changey thing" when Howard Dean got stabbed in the back. Money interests [DLC, Third Way, No Labels, etc.] has corrupted our party beyond redemption?

cafkia's picture

An Injection of Sanity

Four years prior to Bill Clinton taking the oath of office, most Americans did not recognize that name. Four years prior to Barack H. Obama taking his first oath of office, a majority of Americans only knew of one "Hussein" in the entire world. It is completely reasonable to express a preference but pretending that we know who will be THE candidate at this stage is significantly less so.

Technology will be the effective end of capitalism. For $22,000.00 you can purchase a robot that can be easily trained to do a variety of things. You can do that right now! I have trouble thinking of a job that could not be automated either fully or in significant part with current technology or future tech in various stages of maturity. As incomes are lost to automation, disposable income - which is the holy grail of most of our industry - goes extinct. Very clearly, need for a very different economic paradigm is indicated. The coming shift will not be denied.

I rather suspect that HRC, Biden, and others in that age range would be the wrong choice because of their capitalism-centric brand of Democratic politics and the difficulty of accepting that large of a change. I am not one that worships the market but, I do think there is a reason why so many of the Silicon Valley players, not the bankers the players, are 20 or more years younger than HRC. I would be significantly less than surprised if it turned out that our next POTUS also fit that description.

Stick's picture

Earl Grey, Hot

I want my replicator now please thank you... and the transformational crisis that it would create.

Dave Prince's picture

Estimated current cost of

Estimated current cost of printing a hamburger: $300,000.

cafkia's picture

But if you train the

But if you train the currently available robot to assemble the hamburger, you could eliminate a job or two. Given insurance costs and budgeting for unplanned occurrences, spending $22,000.00 to eliminate a couple of minimum wage jobs and several supervisor hours makes good financial sense. It should make for an interesting world in a few years.

Up Goose Creek's picture

Biden

I agree that a formidable candidate could come out of the woodwork, but if the election were held next week I'd vote for Biden and here's why:

I see him as a kindler, gentler LBJ - he may be the only one capable of herding the cats that are (is?) congress.

metulj's picture

Agree

The Senator from MBNA is the leastest lesserish of lesser-like evils.

lonnie's picture

Joe Biden is Great!

Joe Biden is Great!

Up Goose Creek's picture

Clinton

Clinton is smart, competent and driven. And experienced - I count her experience as first lady both of the US and a middle american state.

It doesn't befuddle me (or bufoon me) that someone would support her. You aren't always going to find a candidate that mirrors your views 100%.

metulj's picture

I agree, yet HRC doesn't even

I agree, yet HRC doesn't even reflect 50% of a liberal perspective, see free trade and Wall Street.

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