A quick note about the trial of Khalid Sheik Mohammed

Submitted by metulj on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 10:02am

Boo! Remember, according to the 2001 line of reasoning, they did this because they hate our values as Americans. Remember 2001? Oh, yeah. Back then! Well, everything is different now. They are murderers. Murder is a crime. Crimes are tried in criminal courts. That's an American value. If you aren't down with that, then just isn't any hope for this country. But our media will never process that syllogism. Why? It's too, um, difficult?

But then Jon Stewart has already covered this:

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Submitted by gonzone on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 11:22am.

So sad and so true.
Our media.
And that it takes a comedian to point it out just proves the point.

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

... $75 million in extra

Submitted by bizgrrl on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 12:13pm.

... $75 million in extra security costs related to the terror trials.

Yikes!

logic is your friend

Submitted by Anonymously Nine on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 12:50pm.

They are murderers. Murder is a crime. Crimes are tried in criminal courts.

Fascinating. Along that line of logic when will we see the civil trial for the property damage of the World Trade Center and the 3,700 plus wrongful death law suits?

It is almost as you have channeled the thoughts of thousands of lawyers. Maybe this is how Bin Laden will overthrow the great Satan. With an army of lawyers. Might work. It is certainly simple enough.

Scaredy cat. Boo. Boo. Boo.

Submitted by metulj on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 12:55pm.

Scaredy cat. Boo. Boo. Boo. Boogerman is gonna get you. Boo. EEEEEEEK.

BTW, the 9/11 victims compensation fund indemnified all potential non-mass murdering fuckheads from suit when victims' families took money. You should know that, but, well, you don't know much.

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Your logic is flawed.

Submitted by Anonymously Nine on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 1:11pm.

Was 9/11 an act of War? Or just some heavy duty vandalism? I don't recall trying the Japanese in criminal court for Pearl Harbor.

This may be Obama's plan to save the newspaper industry and MSNBC. If you liked the OJ trial, you'll love this farce.

The sad part is this enables terrorism and places everyone in harms way.

Blood dancers of the World!

Submitted by metulj on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 1:18pm.

Blood dancers of the World! Unite! You have thousands upon thousands of dead people in the world to help you make your confused points.

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Act of war

Submitted by R. Neal on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 1:21pm.

What nation or nations declared war on the U.S.? What flag did they fly? What uniform did they wear? Who do we accept terms of surrender from? When did U.S. Congress declare war?

strong point

Submitted by Anonymously Nine on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 2:04pm.

What nation or nations declared war on the U.S.? What flag did they fly? What uniform did they wear? Who do we accept terms of surrender from? When did U.S. Congress declare war?

You make a strong point as to why no enemy should ever wear a uniform. Hence the term enabling.

Counter point:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870368380457453362253345952...

Please spare us talk of the "rule of law." If that was the primary consideration, the U.S. already has a judicial process in place. The current special military tribunals were created by the 2006 Military Commissions Act, which was adopted with bipartisan Congressional support after the Supreme Court's Hamdan decision obliged the executive and legislative branches to approve a detailed plan to prosecute the illegal "enemy combatants" captured since 9/11.

Contrary to liberal myth, military tribunals aren't a break with 200-plus years of American jurisprudence. Eight Nazis who snuck into the U.S. in June 1942 were tried by a similar court and most were hanged within two months. Before the Obama Administration stopped all proceedings earlier this year pending yesterday's decision, the tribunals at Gitmo had earned a reputation for fairness and independence.

Note: We were engaged in a

Submitted by metulj on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 3:06pm.

Note: We were engaged in a formal, declared shooting war in 1942 with Germany. Fail.

In #9's right-wing terror state, this was all A-OK.

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Submitted by Anonymously Nine on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 3:21pm.

Note: We were engaged in a formal, declared shooting war in 1942 with Germany. Fail.

Was the U.S.A. engaged in formal, declared shooting war with Japan before Pearl Harbor metulj?

FDR and Truman understood what it takes to defend a nation against maniacs. We sure could use some Democrats like that now. But this team is weaker than Carter. My advice, watch your six. Change this in 2010 and 2012. Damn right we need some change.

Your example had nothing to

Submitted by metulj on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 3:44pm.

Your example had nothing to do with Japan, but we were in a formal, declared war with Japan after Pearl Harbor. Man, you are thick.

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hey

Submitted by gonzone on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 3:09pm.

Grow a pair.
Coward.

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

What a bunch of gutless

Submitted by Thag13 on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 1:25pm.

What a bunch of gutless wonders. The GOP talk big and say"bring it on" when its easy, but punk out when there might be danger around

I just dont understand it.

Most of you do know that there are some pretty evil men over and the prisons in Morgan county, right??

No Matter Where you go, There you Are!!!!

Unfortunately, the people we

Submitted by KC on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 2:07pm.

Unfortunately, the people we need to influence in the Middle East regarding how we deal with our enemies won't be impressed with the use of our judicial process. They see it as weakness.

The EU and UN might be impressed with it, but they're not the people we need to send a message to.

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weakness

Submitted by Anonymously Nine on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 2:21pm.

Unfortunately, the people we need to influence in the Middle East regarding how we deal with our enemies won't be impressed with the use of our judicial process. They see it as weakness.

I believe history proves what you have written. We confuse our culture with theirs.

This was a crucially flawed and dangerous decision that has place millions of people in harms way across the world. It allows War without rules. It is the blueprint for never ending War.

Because the only way to deal

Submitted by Mykhailo on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 2:27pm.

Unfortunately, the people we need to influence in the Middle East regarding how we deal with our enemies won't be impressed with the use of our judicial process. They see it as weakness.

Because the only way to deal with people who FLY AIRPLANES INTO BUILDINGS is to scare them into submission.

Unfortunately, the people we

Submitted by sugarfatpie on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 3:20pm.

Unfortunately, the people we need to influence in the Middle East regarding how we deal with our enemies won't be impressed with the use of our judicial process. They see it as weakness.

The people in the ME we are trying to impress are the fence sitters. The one's who love Michael Jackson and Shakira but still go to the mosque on Fridays. The ones who watch Al Jazeera because they expose corruption.

Those who will see this as a weakness are already lost. No point in egging them on.

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This has been said by people

Submitted by Rachel on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 2:14pm.

This has been said by people who said it a lot better than me, but the right-wing response to this whole thing is the very definition of letting the terrorists win.

Which should we do - cower in fear, or show the world we really believe in our justice system?

It's a no-brainer to me. (Cue #9 to deliver some sort of insult about my brain, or lack thereof.)

Which should we do - cower

Submitted by Anonymously Nine on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 2:38pm.

Which should we do - cower in fear, or show the world we really believe in our justice system?

My response is you seem to not understand our Constitution. Our modern day justice system has little to do with the Constitution. The Constitution isn't the problem. It is those current justices who ignore it and modify it from the bench.

Military Tribunals are well established. That is part of what you refer to as "our justice system". What Eric Holder did is unconscionable. Why didn't President Obama intervene?

This is simple. Do you want to allow terrorists to escape Military Tribunals and bankrupt local and state governments with criminal trials? That is a form of terrorism.

So give them their military

Submitted by R. Neal on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 2:41pm.

So give them their military tribunals. What are we waiting for?

So give them their military

Submitted by Anonymously Nine on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 2:58pm.

So give them their military tribunals. What are we waiting for?

That ship has sailed. Holder can't go back now. I don't understand why there were not military tribunals long before this. I don't know why Bush didn't deal with this.

I don't understand Holder. How do you go from non-uniformed enemy combatant to a criminal trial. Where is water boarding in Miranda? It would seem any decent attorney could get KSM off. This decision is inexplicable.

What Bush was waiting for

Submitted by metulj on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 3:00pm.

What Bush was waiting for was these cases to be before military tribunals under a different President, because, as evidenced by the general pissed-offed-ness of the miltary judges at the human rights violations against these criminals under the terrorist actions of Cheney, et al, he didn't want these criminals to, well, get away with it under his watch.

Also, any sentence should be a life sentence. Never make martyrs.

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Submitted by Anonymously Nine on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 3:07pm.

Also, any sentence should be a life sentence. Never make martyrs.

Brilliant. Even thought the law doesn't agree with your namby pampy ideals. Doesn't that idea encourage terrorism? Three hots and a cot and a Koran and you get the 72 virgins later when you die of old age and have soaked the great Satan to the tune of about $70,000 a year for forty five years. Absolutely brilliant. Where do you get this stuff?

$70,000 a year for forty

Submitted by Andy Axel on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 3:20pm.

$70,000 a year for forty five years.

Of all the ass numbers that you've yanked out over the years, this one takes the cake.

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Of all the ass numbers that

Submitted by Anonymously Nine on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 3:22pm.

Of all the ass numbers that you've yanked out over the years, this one takes the cake.

Okay, how much is supermax housing?

Cheaper than 1 minute of

Submitted by metulj on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 4:14pm.

Cheaper than 1 minute of military adventures in Iraq.

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You were the one that pulled

Submitted by Andy Axel on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 4:41pm.

You were the one that pulled $70K from your ass. Why don't you tell me?

ETA: The prison at Gitmo houses 245 prisoners at a cost of at least $90M annually. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/10/opinion/10kayeintro.html Is that a better expenditure?

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Submitted by Anonymously Nine on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 5:02pm.

You were the one that pulled $70K from your ass. Why don't you tell me?

Okay.

Supermax prisons
Urban Institute, the annual per-cell cost of a Supermax is about $75000, compared to $25000 for each cell in an ordinary state prison. Future Prospects ...
www.springerlink.com/index/BWXM0B5M4G99RBXP.pdf - Similar -
by JI Ross - 2007 - Cited by 2 - Related articles

Let's see, $75,000 a year for 45 years times 500 terrorists would be $3,375 billion. For every 500 terrorists that doubles.

But it's not like they have thought of financial terrorism. They couldn't possibly think of that. Just like they couldn't think of bringing down skyscrpaers with box cutters and commercial jets.

Maybe you're right. If we are nice to them they will like us. You try that and let us know how it works out.

Oh, and don't even talk about the $90,000 number.

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/macarthur/documents/prisons/TammsHearing...

Koo-koo bananas

Submitted by metulj on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 5:08pm.

Terrorist 1: OK. Here's the plan. We all get arrested, tried, and convicted in the US after confessing.
Terrorist 2: OK. That's sound easy, what's it get us?
Terrorist 1: The complete collapse of the US economy. It will cause a prison bubble.
Terrorist 2: Are you sure?
Terrorist 1: It's a can't miss. I read "Superfreakonomics" while I was living in Saudi Arabia as a guest of the Sauds. They keep a copy in the hall toilet. It's a lock. Trust me.
Terrorist 2: Cool, when to we get started?
Terrorist 1: Well, some idiots are going to fly some planes into the World Trade Center in New York. That will never work.
Terrorist 2: Naw, that's a dumb idea.
Terrorist 1: Yeah, we'll just piggy-back off that action. We'll confess to that. We'll look like geniuses. Complete collapse of the US economy by virtue of a prison bubble.

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But $300,000 per year per

Submitted by Andy Axel on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 6:06pm.

But $300,000 per year per prisoner at Gitmo is... responsible?

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KILL THEM ALL KILL THEM

Submitted by metulj on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 3:47pm.

KILL THEM ALL KILL THEM SHRIEK BOOOGEYMAN IS UNDER MY BED DADDY! DADDY! DADDY! I NEED YOUR AUTHORITY DADDY!

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Area Man Passionate Defender

Submitted by metulj on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 2:55pm.

Area Man Passionate Defender Of What He Imagines Constitution To Be

Anyhow, we know you don't believe in democracy, we just wish you would admit it out loud.

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huH?

Submitted by S Carpenter on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 7:50pm.

"My response is you seem to not understand our Constitution. Our modern day justice system has little to do with the Constitution."

Why do you say completely incomprehensible things? Please tell me your preferred period of American jurisprudence.

Do you want to allow

Submitted by Rachel on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 2:43pm.

Do you want to allow terrorists to escape Military Tribunals and bankrupt local and state governments with criminal trials? That is a form of terrorism.

Of course I want to see local and state governments bankrupt by terrorists. It's what I live for.

And you just called me a terrorist. If I were Randy, I'd ban you for that. Since I'm not, I'll go back to my shunning policy, and suggest that others do the same.

And I understand the Constitution just fine, thank you very much.

Just Sayin

Submitted by Giuseppe on Wed, 2009/11/18 - 7:17pm.

I like the part about Obama saying " ....when he's convicted and when the death penalty is applied to him." Cool! I bet we won't hear about that during the trail.

Of course he covers his by claiming that he was - Just Sayin.

If he had any nads he would put the trials and executions on Pay-Per-View. We got some bills to pay you know.

what?

Submitted by gonzone on Thu, 2009/11/19 - 9:57am.

If who had nads?

Who are the real cowards?

"If ignorance is bliss, why aren't more people happy?"

Sorry gonzone

Submitted by Giuseppe on Thu, 2009/11/19 - 1:45pm.

Didn't I (Giuseppe) mention the person's (Obama) name in my (Giuseppe) post? How forgetful of me (Giuseppe).

Oh! Wait a minute. I (Giuseppe) just reread the post and I (Giuseppe) did. However it was 37 words before. I'll (Giuseppe) start including these cheat notes more often for those (Enter applicable name or names here) that have problems playing the game without them (Cheat notes).

Maybe Jesse (Jackson) got to him (Obama).

Cowards? They (Terrorist) better not come to my (Giuseppe) house. I’ll (Giuseppe) put a size 7 boot in their (Terrorist) a_ _. No that’s not right. I (Giuseppe) would probably take a clue from the rest of you (Tough talkers on web sites) and cry like a baby or wet my (Giuseppe) pants.