Windows 7: Works for me
I upgraded my main desktop PC from Vista Business to Windows 7 Professional this morning. It was sort of anti-climatic. (Knock on wood.)
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I got a free upgrade with the most recent PC I bought. I got the upgrade in the mail from Dell last week. They sent an "upgrade assistant" DVD that checks your system and updates any necessary drivers, and the full Windows 7 installation DVD.
I took a full system backup and launched the upgrade process. The upgrade only took about one hour. All of my stuff still works so far, even my older "legacy" development tools and applications. If it would run on Vista it will most likely run on Windows 7. Everything seems a bit snappier, too. Especially after turning off the "zooming windows" gizmos for opening, minimizing, and maximizing windows. Other than that I'm not seeing much difference from Vista.
At first I thought there was big trouble because network and internet access was really slow. That cleared up eventually and everything is flying now.
I have a couple of gripes, though.
One, they did away with the quick launch menu on the tool bar. I kept the things I use most often throughout the day there on XP and Vista.
They've sort of expanded the concept to incorporate the entire bottom task/tool bar. You can "pin" any application there, and after closing the application its icon stays there. When it's active, you see a little mini preview of the window when you hover. When it's not active you click to launch. If an application has multiple windows open (or you have multiple folders open), it shows you all of them when you hover. This is nice because it makes it easy to get to the one you are looking for and keeps the tool bar less cluttered.
Anyway, this replaces the quick launch, which is fine except it won't let you "pin" a shortcut to executables you launch over the network. Not sure what the deal is with that, but we have several little in-house developed things we run that way for a variety of reason.
After some googling I found out that you can sort of restore the quick launch by right-clicking the toolbar, selecting toolbars->add toolbar, and entering %userprofile%\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Quick Launch as the location. You can add whatever shortcuts you want to that folder and they will appear in the new "quick launch" toolbar section.
If you don't launch executables over a network you don't need to do any of that, and you should just use the new "pinned applications" feature on the new toolbar which is actually pretty nice.
The second gripe is that Windows 7 doesn't install any kind of email client, apparently due to some antitrust settlement or something. You can, however, download Windows Live Essentials for Windows 7 (google it), which includes a new Windows Live Mail client, which is a slightly updated version of the Vista Windows Mail client, which was an improved version of XP's Outlook Express.
Windows Live Mail will automagically import all your accounts and settings and mail folders and contacts and calendars for you. It's a little slower starting up and connecting (slower than my new Droid phone actually), but other than that it works fine, and the calendar appears somewhat improved. On the downside, the "essentials" package also installs Windows Messenger and some other junk I don't need, which I just went and uninstalled. (You, on the other hand, might actually want the photo gallery which isn't bad.)
My Office 2003 Outlook "business" email works fine on Windows 7, but I use OE/Windows Mail and now Windows Live Mail for personal stuff. (All the other Office 2003 apps seem to work fine, too.)
On the plus side, in addition to the reported (and perceived by me) slight performance improvements and enhanced stability (yet to be experienced because I've only been running it a few hours and believe it or not I found Vista to be pretty stable), Windows 7 has some nice improvements.
The backups, which were already improved in Vista, are even better in Windows 7. You can schedule file and/or "complete PC" (system image) backups and save them to network storage, which wasn't an option before. It still has the separate "complete PC" system image backup similar to Vista, except now you can save it to network storage which also wasn't possible before.
Windows Media Player has been fixed to play videos in the correct aspect ratio even if files don't have a "standard" header with that info embedded. It will now also play MP4 videos (depending I guess on the type of video container). The other features appear about the same, except it curiously wanted to re-import my entire music library. It only took about 10 or 15 minutes, though, so no big deal.
You can also dial down the nag screens that are so pervasive in Vista UAC. (Which reminds me, the new Norton Internet Security anti-virus/firewall that I had installed on Vista before the upgrade works like a champ on Windows 7 and had no complaints at all after the upgrade. I was pretty surprised by that.)
Paint now has proper crop and resize tools, making it almost useful!
And finally, the big Windows 7 breakthrough killer app is: The calculator! It has undergone a major overhaul, probably the first time since about Windows 3.1. It has your basic, your scientific, your statistical, and your programmer layouts, with all kinds of stuff I don't understand except for the basic and programmer layouts. Nice. It also has built-in calculators for mortgage payments, lease payments, and conversions for just about every imaginable measurement. These are under "worksheets," and presumably there's documentation somewhere about how to make your own.
Anyway, this was a mostly painless upgrade, and what Vista should have been. If you're running Vista it's probably a no-brainer, and all your stuff should still work. Note, however, that I'm running 32-bit. If you're running 64-bit you might have issues with drivers, but you are probably aware of that already.
Not sure what you're in for if you're using XP. My guess is it won't be as pretty. I believe it requires a full wipe.
One thing I noticed is that the new Windows background during the upgrade and during startup has these little translucent spheres, streaks of light that look like meteors, and in the lower right what looks like a dove and an olive branch among some grassy leaves. Not sure if this is a "world peace" political statement, some kind of environment statement, or a maybe a peace offering to victims of Windows Vista.
Conclusion: Works for me. Better than expected, with very little drama. And now I'm two operating systems ahead of the Mrs. Heh.
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OK, so tell me how to get it to see the factory installed legacy parallel port on an HP machine. I'm over Windows, having found that Ubuntu Linux can do everything I need without aggravating the crap out of me every time I use it, but I was trying to help some poor souls with legacy apps and no choice get a big (if aged) medium-duty HP laser printer to work with the new machine. Finally found where M$ has hidden the device manager in the 7 iteration, but even with a fresh driver specifically tagged to that hardware downloaded from HP, no joy. Kept telling me it didn't have a driver.
Eventually gave up (for now) and hooked up a little multi-function inkjet fax with a USB connection from the back office so they could start working on a three-day backlog.
And this is all before it's really had a chance to get pwned and rootkitted by Russian mobsters. It won't get any better, but maybe there will be a service pack in a few months.
Sounds like an issue for HP. Their printer setups suck.
That said, MS and just about everybody else has been trying to fade out parallel ports (and now serial ports) for a while now. (Can you buy an Apple with a parallel port?) It's a constant battle for us. There's probably a parallel->usb or parallel->ethernet box that would solve your problem.
And Dell and HP (I think) still sell "business-class" PCs with supported parallel and serial ports (which it sounds like you have, but it's not clear.) If it's a consumer big-box retail 64-bit OS off the shelf (which they are all trying to push to get people to move to 64-bit) all bets are off.
At any rate, we've got parallel printers that work fine on XP and Server 2003 and Vista. Haven't tried to hook any up to Windows 7, but I imagine if you go to printers->add printer->local there will be drivers for it.
Anyway, I'm not selling, I'm just reporting. In our business it's a Microsoft world, so we learn to maneuver around in it. Just like we did in the IBM world before that.
UPDATE: Went to my Windows 7 add printer dialogue. It lists the LPT (parallel) and serial ports as being available on my three-month old PC. I picked the LPT1 port and it lists a whole bunch of old HP printers for which it has available drivers. Did you try that?
One easy fix:
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good grief, Randy. Your one post on Windows 7 and whatever ad server you are using has completely rebranded your site top and right with an ad for Windows 7 for Dummies.
Is that a reflection on us, your dear readers? lol.
I was planning on the $149 upgrade for three machines from Vista Home Premium for its 7 equivalent. Can you tell me if filesharing and printsharing is any better? We're wireless, but Vista never can find the printer I map.
Hard to say from my point of view. We have wired gigabit all over, and a mix and match of different OSs. We haven't had problems with print or file sharing on any of it. We also run in a Windows 2003 Server domain acting as the local DNS server and enforcing all the access control and such, so maybe that helps. I presume you have all those machines in a "workgroup" with the same workgroup name on all of them? That might help.
yep, I've workgrouped them and done everything by the book. Even hardwired the PC with the printer to the router, but the wireless notebooks never seem to find the printer...it just disappears from the network.
Did you assign a permanent IP address to the printer?
I was helping a friend with her computer issues a couple of days ago. I can't say for sure which Windows version she was running but I guess it was Vista. My Gawd what frustrating sucktitude. I'm with Hayduke, why anyone who did not absolutely have to would put up with that when there is a perfectly good FREE, high functioning alternative is beyond me.
I bitch a lot about the Macs at work and generally it is well deserved but, Windows would drive me crazy. I say pick a distro and never look back. I too use Ubuntu but I could go back to Mandriva or pick up Debian or most any of them. Life is good in sane land.
(yea, yea, I know. plenty of you have magical softwarethat you have to use that only runs on yada yada yada.)
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Randy, you've got to be the one person on the planet to complain that Outlook Express went away. Google it and you'll find thousands of people on XP trying desperately to get rid of it (myself included - I clicked on a mailto link earlier and the damn thing popped up again).
I downgraded to XP from Vista a few months ago, but now I'm considering Win7. The RC I ran was pretty nice, especially since XP only recognizes 2gigs of RAM. Still thinking about it, though, as that's a lot of money for a small change, especially since I'm not interested in eye candy or the security changes (I'd do away with both immediately).
Honestly, I haven't had any real problems that I can recall from OE or Vista Windows Mail. All my stuff came over to Windows Mail from OE, and now all my stuff has come over from Windows Mail to Windows Live Mail and seems to be working fine. (Knock on wood.)
After using Windows Live Mail for a couple of days I think I like Windows Mail better, though. Windows Live Mail seems like a work in progress. Plus they've done away with icons in the toolbar (text only) and the calendar doesn't have reminders.
The Mozilla Thunderbird mail client looks like a decent (free) alternative if you're looking to change.
I actually finally ditched email clients altogether. I'd been using Thunderbird since its inception. That's one reason I was annoyed to have OE on my computer. TB is a far better program (largely due to extensions), so I didn't see why I couldn't get rid of the inferior MS version. But now I've finally succumbed to webmail, using multiple inboxes and pop mail within gmail, and I'm pretty happy. I think google has it right with their new chrome OS: more and more, everything will be on the internet with no huge difference between different computers.
A couple of cool new things I found.
1. When you're looking at your network, you can right-click on any machine and connect via RDP.
2. There's a new version of Windows Virtual PC for Windows 7, and they have a pre-packaged XP SP3 "compatibility mode" VM you can download. (Available for Win7 Pro, Enterprise, and Ultimate.)
The Windows 7 Virtual PC and prepackaged XP VM have enhancements so you can start the XP "compatibility mode" VM and it can interact with the Windows 7 desktop, such as adding an icon to the start menu for an app installed in the XP VM and launch it and run it just like an app on the Win7 host. Pretty nice if you have old stuff that won't run on Vista or Win7.
All my stuff works on Vista and Win7 so I haven't tried the prepackaged XP VM. If like me you don't need it you can download just the new Virtual PC; you don't have to get the XP VM although that's a little confusing at the Microsoft Virtual PC website. They really seem to be pushing it.)
I setup a VM and installed Server 2008 (legit MSDN copy) and it works great. It only supports 32-bit as far as I can tell, which is OK with me because that's what I use anyway.
This will be pretty nice for development, testing and support.