Submitted by metulj on Tue, 2009/03/10 - 7:13am

Seems the News-Sentinel can't help itself. It ran a "hard hitting" piece on that festering irrelevancy that is the handgun carry permit database. It really isn't terribly interesting who is carrying or not as everyone who has a concealed carry permit trumpets the fact. Want to know who has a CCW? Just hold on a minute: They'll tell you. Anyhow, I couldn't care less either way. I find the whole permitting thing humorous as people who get these permits seem to think it is akin to doing a postdoctorate at Oxford. What's also funny in this article (and I mean FUNNY) is Greg Lambert's assertion:

"If I was a criminal, I'd put together a database of those who are unarmed," Lambert said. "Or, if I was targeting a home, I'd pull up in front of the house and use my iPhone to access the Internet and determine whether those in the home were armed."



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Listen, dude, many parts of this country are armed camps. Pick any house on any street at random in one of those places, break into it and look for guns. The probability that any those random houses have a gun to steal is rapidly approaching 1. A conservative estimate is that there are about 60 million people in the US who have a gun and about 200 million guns altogether.

This followed another fascinating assertion that what is supposed to be a deterrent to crime, a gun, could possibly make someone a target of crime. Now wait a minute. Let me get this straight. You are carrying concealed. You are protected, right? But you are now a target? You are vulnerable? This is the WTF moment in this whole discourse for me. If guns are supposed to reduce vulnerability, then saturation of guns is what we are supposed to want in order to have a more resilient population. The pro-gun activists need to straighten this one out.

Still, they are at least attempting to be coherent and upfront about what they want. The automaton quote machine that is the Brady Campaign weighs in:

Meanwhile, a group advocating a crackdown on gun violence favors openness.

"We feel strongly that the state should not keep records secret," said Brian Malte, director of state legislation for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, named after Jim Brady, President Reagan's press secretary who was shot during an assassination attempt. "The press needs to be able to audit the records to ensure the system works properly."

Look, the writer of the article is a freelancer to the NS. I don't know how much he knows about guns and I am not going to presume, but to call the Brady Campaign advocates against gun violence is akin to calling an egg candler an abortionist. They are an anti-gun group (and a not particularly effective one either). This country has a guarantee for individuals to bear arms in the Constitution and they are against it. Me? I am for it, but I am also for being clear that the kerfluffle over this database has little to do with personal or public safety and more to do with some newspapers trying to find relevancy over something that just doesn't really matter. Having the Brady Campaign anoint a newspaper as a qualified group to go through these records is dumb.

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cafkia's picture

"If I was a criminal, I'd

"If I was a criminal, I'd put together a database of those who are unarmed," Lambert said. "Or, if I was targeting a home, I'd pull up in front of the house and use my iPhone to access the Internet and determine whether those in the home were armed."

Ok, we're safe. well, as long as the other criminals aren't any smarter than Lambert. If they are picking homes at random, they stand a lovely chance of showing up where a criminal lives, perhaps a drug dealer who has a number of unregistered guns with which he will aggressively defend himself.

I strongly suspect that due to inheritance, theft, citizen-to-citizen sales, and other factors, there are a significant number of unregistered weapons, firearms and other weapons, out there. Trusting that database will get those iPnone criminals two in center mass. I'm not saying anything about the database but, that has to be the dumbest damn argument I ever heard.

CAFKIA

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MDB's picture

well, as long as the other

well, as long as the other criminals aren't any smarter than Lambert.

"Smarter than Lambert" is not difficult. The bowl of chicken noodle soup I had for lunch is smarter than Lambert.

As I've said before, I went to high school with him (Powell, class of 1984.) Our class produced doctors, lawyers, engineers... and that dolt is the one who ended up representing our home district on County Commission.

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Linoge's picture

One clarification...

Tennessee does not offer CCW permits - the permits here are HCPs (Handgun Carry Permits). The distinction is important due to the fact that most CCWs require concealed carry, while our Tennessee HCPs allow for both open and concealed carry.

Furthermore, firearms do not decrease vulnerability, and very few carry activists would claim such a thing. Instead, they increase your probabilities of being able to adequately and effectively defend yourself (and potentially your family). If a criminal were to "get the drop" on you (say, because he looked you up in this privacy-invading database, and can identify you), carrying a firearm will not make the slightest difference in the world. A gun is not a shield, but it is a hell of a lot better than a sword.

Finally, yes, this database, the way the Commercial Appeal has thrust it into the public eye, and their ceaseless rationalization and justification for its existence all boil down to a newspaper's editorial staff doing everything they can to drum up publicity for their rag - after all, there is no such thing as bad publicity. But there is such a thing as bad publicity that invades my privacy, endangers my family, and aids and abets criminals. This database falls under that category.

metulj's picture

"Instead, they increase your

"Instead, they increase your probabilities of being able to adequately and effectively defend yourself (and potentially your family)."

So you are more resilient, which is, err, umm, less vulnerable.

"If a criminal were to "get the drop" on you (say, because he looked you up in this privacy-invading database, and can identify you), carrying a firearm will not make the slightest difference in the world."

I've decided to call this the Lambert Gambit.

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Linoge's picture

I guess it would be asking

I guess it would be asking too much of you to actually check a dictionary before you continue to spout off and prove your ignorance:

Vulnerable: susceptible to attack, capable of being wounded or hurt.

I am just as susceptible to attack when I am carrying a firearm as when I am not. The firearm makes absolutely no difference in that context, which is why the strawman concept of firearms making their carriers less vulnerable holds no water whatsoever.

Call it whatever you like, but the possibility for that kind of misuse is patently obvious, and attempting to demean or diminish that danger through ascribing it a cute little term only shows the bias of the namecaller.

metulj's picture

Fascinating. Are we talking

Fascinating. Are we talking rights or parsing words? Oh, wait. That's my point.

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Linoge's picture

I guess it would furthermore

I guess it would furthermore be asking too much for you to admit you were wrong, even in the face of evidence supporting that fact.

*shrugs* Words have meaning, and words matter, both because they are how we express our rights, and because they are how authors express their ideas to their readers. If you do not care about either of those aspects (which, apparently, you do not), then why you are spouting off error-frought ramblings?

metulj's picture

Parse. Parse. Parse. True

Parse. Parse. Parse.

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smalc's picture

Try to open carry sometime,

Try to open carry sometime, and tell me where and when. It should be amusing.

cafkia's picture

Actually, the most effective

Actually, the most effective firearm for home defense is a sawed off, 20 gauge pump shotgun. It requires no registration whatsoever. The sound of a round being chambered would probably induce trespassers to plan an exit strategy. You stand a much reduced chance of shooting through a wall or otherwise missing your target and doing "friendly fire" damage. Did I mention that it requires no registration? No sane person is going to choose a house based on handgun permits and no insane person is going to be especially impressed with them.

There is clearly nothing to see here.

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bizgrrl's picture

metulj, you forgot to invoke

metulj, you forgot to invoke the cue for 2nd Amendment experts:

(Cue internet 2nd Amendment experts correcting Colbert on "concealed carry" v. "handgun carry" in 3, 2, 1...)

metulj's picture

At least I know better to

At least I know better to say "magazine" rather than "clip." Which is, again, my point.

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Gene's picture

carry

If you had a security system in your house, it might make you feel safe. If I posted a schematic of how it works, the brand, model, etc., and also posted a list of what you're securing in the house, would that make you feel less or more safe?

That's like you calling a WTF moment on someone with a gun feeling less safe when their name is published.

metulj's picture

False analogy. True

False analogy.

True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler

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Ted's picture

Where can I find this public

Where can I find this public list to determine what guns you own? Does it include where the guns are stored in your house?

R. Neal's picture

Where can I find this public

Where can I find this public list to determine what guns you own?

The NWO is working on that.

rufus's picture

'Nuff said...

"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic."

--Ted Nugent

Andy Axel's picture

"Wang dang sweet

"Wang dang sweet poontang."

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