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I'm not sure I get this either, although I'm glad Obama is not putting even more of the intelligence apparatus under retired military officers. There might be this upside for the CIA: The National Intelligence Director has sort removed the 'Central' from the CIA. Panetta is an old Washington hand with lots of experience working the bureaucracy from all angles. Maybe the insular CIA can find a bright side in that. I also like the idea of not having a CIA lifer in that post, since these things are way too sensitive not to be supervised by politically accountable civilians instead of spooks and generals used to hiding in the shadows.
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Critical as I am of many of Obama's cabinet mistakes, this one is somewhat surprising. I agree with LL that this, if nothing else, is a true departure from the norm.
"Director" is basically head pencil pusher.
This is a choice that might work well with the anti-Neocon factions in the CIA (they do exist).
Also a man who has a proven record of rejecting injustice as Panetta did during the Nixon admin's effort against the Civil Rights movement.
They told him to drop it, he told them to drop dead.
This may be Obama's ears and eyes in a seriously corrupt, failing agency that has been crippled by BushCo and the PNAC.
Naturally, the effectiveness of this particular pick will only be determined in time, but I feel better about it than many other of his appointments.
Another benefit is that he's about as anti-torture as a CIA nominee can get. I think he's great.
Amen to anti-torture.
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And the Obama teams "failing" to inform DiFi and Rockyfeller has implications of his intentions to clean up the agency. No insider could do that, it needed someone with his own power structure outside the intelligence community for it to work.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson
I spent twenty plus years of my professional life working in the intelligence community (though not at CIA, and I am no longer affiliated with it, and damn happy about that fact.)
I can tell you that,while there are many plusses to having an outsider head up the CIA, the intelligence community is very insular, and not friendly to outsiders. Panetta's welcome will not be a warm one.
However, it will be nice to have a DCI
who does not bear a disturbing resemblance to.... this guy.
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"I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat." -- Will Rogers
Choosing Leon Panetta means the buck on what is and is not "actionable" or even "reliable" intelligence will necessarily have to stop at least one rung below "the man." He has zero background in the field - and intelligence is a field requiring specialized knowledge same as geology or medicine or engineering. Given how easy it is to misdiagnose the intelligence you get, it's probably closer to medicine than the other two. He's going to have to take the word of those who do have that background in the field because he doesn't have the experience necessary to evaluate their judgment. He can't even do a "sniff test" on the information presented him. I just have a hard time seeing him being the right man for this job at this time. After the last 8 years we need adults running the show for a while, and when it comes to the field of intelligence, I can't really see Leon Panetta as one of the adults. He's going into this particular job wearing diapers. He has all the qualificatios for CIA director that I do. Maybe.
I think you are way off on this one, Ray. I don't necessarily think Panetta is a good choice as he is yet another Clinton creep, but "intelligence is a field requiring specialized knowledge same as geology or medicine or engineering" is way off. Way off. Action based on intelligence (before the Idiot Years) was and always should be an binary decision based on lower level assessments guided by the precautionary principle.
Q: Are there WMDs in Iraq of an immediate danger to the US? Yes or no.
No definitive answer is a "No."
True happiness is knowing you are a hypocrite. -- Ivor Cutler
another Clinton creep
Can't wait until the day these people are Obama creeps or successes.
They can be as creepy as they want. As long as a Bush or a Clinton has nothing to do with it.
Fine point on the Clinton Creep, but who else would he have to choose from? Clinton Creeps and Bush Bots are all there's been for decades. Not much more to choose from that's under the age of 80.
And Yeppers!
As long as they're not lying millions of people into their graves, functioning at Israel's behest, or employing Blackwater type contractors I can live with it.
A White House chief of staff has to do all the things people think Panetta can't. Daily. Without being one of the gang, he has had significant experience in this domain. That doesn't make him perfect for the job, but he's not starting from square one.
In any case, the policy people always have the responsibility to separate intel bullshit from fact, regardless of how hard it is - and I wouldn't deny that it is hard.
The most important three things I want from the DCI:
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Supposedly Panetta was originally angling to become Commerce Secretary, oddly enough -- back when he was the Representative from Monterey Co., one of his major accomplishments was re-writing the Coastal Zone Management Act. And beyond that, he was chairman and commissioner of the Pew Oceans Commission, and currently co-chairs the Joint Ocean Commission Initiative. NOAA (which is something like 65% of Commerce's budget) is a big deal to him. He's maybe the only person of his stature for whom Commerce Secretary is a plum job rather than a semi-insulting consolation prize. So what better pick for Commerce than Richardson with all of his foreign policy experience, and for CIA than Panetta, with his expertise in marine and coastal policy?
Poor choice and if Senator Feinstein, on the Senate oversight committee for the CIA, is not all that enthused, why should the rest of America be excited about it? Obama is sticking a politician who will pass the buck and seek to look good instead of running the CIA and making it an effective intelligence organization. This is the first bad pick for national security and he would do well to rescind it. Besides, with Hillary at State, her husband's former Chief of Staff at CIA, does Obama not see how this could be a major problem for him?
Because Feinstein is an idiot and probably part of the problem. She's just mad because he by-passed her and well he should have. She has been a thorn in the side of progress for a long time now.
Possible good point on the Clinton connection, but I don't see Hillary lasting as SoS so it may work out for the best.
Certainly there might have been better choices, but someone has to weed out the Bush Bots and Panetta can do it.
I probably would have offered John Kerry the job but we couldn't afford to lose the Senate seat.
Can't think of anyone more qualified who could be trusted to institute changes right off hand.
The problems at CIA currently stem from it's politicization and it's willingness to be put in that position.
Those are things Panetta can change based on his relationships and credibility outside of the Agency.
For too long intelligence (note I wrote "intelligence" not "intelligent") bureaucrats have promoted the belief that understanding intelligence requires some mystic powers that only Ivy League educated WASPS possess.
As John Kenneth Galbraith said when it comes to bankers and financiers that by creating "a fraudulent air of mystery," it gives those who we believe to posses such knowledge, whether they are bankers or intelligence officials, a "monopoly of knowledge," which both groups will use to their advantage and interests, not necessarily ours, or what we believe the country's to be.
What Gary said! Though I'm not sure the CIA had a choice about its politicization...
A friend reminded me yesterday that George H.W. Bush didn't have much in the way of qualifications when he was named head of the CIA (well, except for that Ivy League WASP pedigree).
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Further, let me identify some major problems with the CIA that need addressed:
1)Too much outsourcing to private interests. This is much too important to privatize. Privatizing creates too many issues that the agency doesn't need.
2)The CIA since it's founding has been too corporate friendly. Dulles conflated multinational corporate interests with our national security interests. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
3)Extraordinary renditions. No explanation necessary. it's wrong so don't do it.
4)Torture. See number 3.
5)Assassinations and murders. Using UCAVs or any other actions is NOT a legitimate part of what an intelligence gathering agency should be about. Stop it.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro."
Hunter S. Thompson
"or any other actions is NOT a legitimate part of what an intelligence gathering agency should be about."
I think the biggest problem with all the paramilitary stuff done by CIA is that it pulls time, energy, and resources away from the intelligence gathering objectives.
And that's not even beginning to consider what happens when the Agency is involved in one of those paramilitary activities that leads to a very public, international incident.