Re-Zoning/Re-Development Plan Help Requested.
Residents of Lakemoor, Timberlake, and Maloney Road West of Alcoa Highway need to stand up and be heard. Please attend the Knoxville Metropolitan Planning Commission meeting Thursday, January 11, 2007, at 1:30PM, in the Large Assembly Room of the City-County Building on Main Street in downtown Knoxville.
We urge you to oppose the rezoning of the property at Maloney Road and Ginn Road (Drive), Agenda item #81. The rezoning of this property is the predecessor to a complete change to the 2004 site plan for the old Maxey's boat dock. In February the developer is planning to present a new plan for further developing the site with changes even less conducive to the beauty of the area and the character of the neighborhood.
More after the jump...
Off of Alcoa Highway, at the intersection of Maloney Road and Ginn Road, condos are being developed (Gazebo Point at Waterford Cove). So far, so good (we guess). This location was previously a boat dock. There are approximately 5 acres in the development, zoned RP-1 which, in this instance, allows for 8 units per acre. Thus, 40 condos are planned. The condo development is surrounded by residences with agricultural (and estate) zoning in the county, although it is not really an agricultural area. The typical lot size in the area is 1 acre or more. Somehow this condo development was approved, the land was re-zoned from agricultural to medium-density residential, annexed into the city (sewers for the condos and taxes for the city) and the developer started building condos. A tiny little dot of city annexation surrounded by a rural (suburban) paradise.
The 2004 approved site-plan (single-unit condos side-by-side):

Now, the developer, from Florida, apparently mistook Tennesse property buyers for Florida buyers. The developer priced the condos in the $700,000 range in a neighborhood where a house on the lake can be purchased for less that that amount. Two years later not a condo has been sold and the developer is hurting for cash. The developer wants to re-zone an additional 1.4 acres originally planned for parking overflow (or something) from agricultural to RP-1 with low-density residential. The developer wants to be able to add an additional 6 condos to the plan. The developer wants to completely re-do the site plan to allow from 40 to 46 units, smaller units, 4-5 story apartment style, i.e. cheaper.
The 2007, subject to change, proposed site-plan (multi-story bldgs):

This is the same developer that requested the sewer pumping station to be in a Knox County park in exchange for a gazebo he later could not afford to build.
So far in my discussions with the city everyone seems to feel sorry for the developer. He's about to go bankrupt because the development has yet to be successful. Therefore, they seem to support his proposed changes to 4 & 5 story apartment type condos in an area that has no 4-5 story buildings within 5 miles.
I met the developer at the adjacent park when the project first got off the ground, condos just in the footer phase. At that time he spoke of condos starting at $450,000. In just about a year something happened and the condos were initially advertised at $700,000 +. Why do the citizens of Knoxville and Knox County keep having to pay (not necessarily financially) for bad business decisions?
The SoKno Waterfront project should be viewed in light of these zoning and project plan changes at the Gazebo/Maxey's boat dock development, which have occurred over the space of only two years. The SoKno Waterfront form-based zoning is item #1 on the agenda. The Gazebo/Maxey's zoning change, which are a precursor to revising the entire development plan, is item #81 on the agenda, after only two years. Expect changes to the SoKno Waterfront zoning and project plan to be hidden at the bottom of the list, too, when the next big project comes along and all the promises are long forgotten.
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Another double down developer gamble
The original project should have not been approved for zoning. Is this like the South Grove shopping center in that it is another illegal finger annexation?
Isn't this another "If you build it they won't come project?"
What good are ordinances if the MPC, City Council, and County Commissioner refuse to obey them?
Don't know if it's illegal,
Don't know if it's illegal, but it's a finger annexation.
Finger annexations are
Finger annexations are illegal now, but they weren't before the Growth Policy Act of 1998. When did this annexation happen?
Don't know for sure. I find
Don't know for sure. I find it amusing that it is designated as an Urban Growth area (surrounded by properties zoned Agricultural/Estate), which probably makes it legal? Don't know if there was a referendum. The Mrs. is all over this so I'll ask.
Expect changes to the SoKno
Expect changes to the SoKno Waterfront zoning and project plan to be hidden at the bottom of the list, too, when the next big project comes along and all the promises are long forgotten.
The new code only allows changes in it (including the district boundaries) once a year, so any changes will be pretty hard to hide.
Look, I know some of you think the whole south waterfront thing is an evil plot by the City, but there really has been a lot of effort made to do this correctly.
I don't blame anyone for waiting to see the results of this, but maybe you could wait instead of automatically assuming it all sucks?
I don't think there's anything nefarious about where the "gazebo condos" are on the MPC agenda. Stuff on there is organized by category, and probably within category by the order in which the applications are filed.
BTW, I confess to not knowing as much as this development as I should, but based on what I knew initially it pretty much sucked - and it does't sound like it's gotten any better.
a creeping development plan
Thanks for the update, bzgrrl. The "new" plan definitely looks worse than the old plan. Will the February plan be the final plan?
The developer (Weaver) also has purchased 3 acres of property at the top of the hill on Ginn Drive. (Potentially 24 more units!) It is currently not in the city limits, and there are two other homes/properties in between that chunk of land and the Gazebo development. It will be interesting to see if that second area/property will be included in the February development plan. I doubt it... the strategy seems to get the rezoning and annexation approved first before going public with even a preliminary plan. Then, when the preliminary plan fails, roll out a salvaged plan--or maybe the real plan all along, depending on how skeptical you're feeling--which never would have been approved to start with.
I suppose ten years from now there will be a lovely corridor of unoccupied 4-story condos on Ginn stretching from Alcoa to the lake... and the city/county folks will still be feeling sorry for the guy.
Oh well. Who knows. Maybe UT ag students will buy them.
-DanR
Thanks, Stick Thrower. I
Thanks, Stick Thrower. I hope you contacted the MPC. We seem to be getting some support. I hope so. I certainly want to stop this so there will not be any 4-story condos on Ginn.
More YouTube
Looks like I will have to YouTube the City Council meeting on Tuesday the 16th so people can see how their elected representatives conduct themselves.
Accidental Death During the Gazebo of Waterford Cove Development
I heard that approximately 5 years ago when the original developer was building the four current condos at the Gazebo at Waterford Cove (project on the former Maxeys Boat Dock location on Maloney) that a someone was killed in an accident. Does anyone know anything about it? I have been told "bits and pieces" but am looking for the full story. A few have said his first name was Adam? Any details you can provide will be greatly appreciated.