Fri
Nov 10 2006
02:37 pm
By: Andy Axel  shortURL

This is the stupidity that R. Neal begged the Democrats not to perpetrate:

Some big name Democrats want to oust DNC Chairman Howard Dean, arguing that his stubborn commitment to the 50-state strategy and his stinginess with funds for House races cost the Democrats several pickup opportunities.

The candidate being floated to replace Dean? Harold Ford.

Says James Carville, one of the anti-Deaniacs, "Suppose Harold Ford became chairman of the DNC? How much more money do you think we could raise? Just think of the difference it could make in one day."

Not to mention the pernicious brand of re-branded "southern conservatism" that Digby said that the DC Democrats would do well to abandon.

To paraphrase Hunter S. Thompson, "James Carville is a gutless old ward-heeler who should be stuffed in a bottle and shipped out on the Japanese current." Now. Before irreversible damage gets done.

UPDATE: Weirder still?

After Mehlman?

Michael Steele, Maria Cino and Mary Matalin have been floated as replacements. Cino and Matalin are official floats; Steele is being pushed by some state party leaders.

The GOP's social conservative base may object to Matalin and Cino because both want to open the GOP tent to gay people; both have spoken at Log Cabin Republican conventions.

At the same time, both have significant political experience. Before joining the cabinet, Cino was a deputy chair of the RNC and prior to that, the pol. dir for Bush's '00 election. Matalin is a whip-smart veteran of every major national Republican campaign since the early Clinton era.

She's also the wife of the "chattering skull" who thinks that the successful DNC chair should be ousted.

Number9's picture

Two words, Hillary Clinton.

Two words, Hillary Clinton.

Hayduke's picture

Hillary is raising as much

Hillary is raising as much money for the Republicans as she could for the Democrats.  And she already has a job.  The biggest problem with Ford is that he's not actually a Democrat by other than Tennessee standards.  There seems to be an impulse to make Ford into a Barack, Jr. and I don't think he's up to it.

 I understand why the Republicans would want to get rid of Mehlman, but why the heck would a landslide victory require a change in leadership?

Kevin Hayden's picture

Number9 nails it

This comes from New York, not DC. Wonder if getting Iraq right and winning 2006 will prove more popular than lingering cigar envy.

Me? I'm tired of Fleetwood Mac.

WhitesCreek's picture

I would call it a civil

I would call it a civil discussion.

The strength of the Democratic party has always been that the tent has room for different ideas. Open discussion gets pummeled by power struggles at times but we should all be able to see for ourselves the failure of Carville's strategies versus the success of Howard Dean's. Carville is top down, go after the big money, and Dean builds from the base. Carville is smart and competitive. Dean is smart and caring.

Paul Witt's picture

Last night on Bill Maher's

Last night on Bill Maher's show, Chuck Schumer did his best to kill the anti-Dean voices.  He said that Dean's 50 state strategy was working and that the DNC helped the DSCC a lot in the last month of the election.

Mark Siegel's picture

Am I the only one in the world

Am I the only one in the world who thought that Carville was at least halfway kidding?

Personally, I think Carville is hysterically funny.

Number9's picture

Am I the only one in the

Am I the only one in the world who thought that Carville was at least halfway kidding?

This fellow didn't think it was a f*&!ing joke...

Why anyone thinks Markos Moulitsas is either a leader or an expert is beyond me. He is just another extreme viewpoint in a sea of extreme viewpoints. When KOS says, "There's more of us than there are of them" that sounds like civil war to me.

Carville wants a war
by kos
Fri Nov 10, 2006 at 10:58:14 AM PST
It looks like Carville and his DC-elite buddies in DC want a war:

 

Some big name Democrats want to oust DNC Chairman Howard Dean, arguing that his stubborn commitment to the 50-state strategy and his stinginess with funds for House races cost the Democrats several pickup opportunities.

The candidate being floated to replace Dean? Harold Ford.

Says James Carville, one of the anti-Deaniacs, "Suppose Harold Ford became chairman of the DNC? How much more money do you think we could raise? Just think of the difference it could make in one day. Now probably Harold Ford wants to stay in Tennessee. I just appointed myself his campaign manager."

 

Dean was elected. If Carville has a master plan to stage a coup against Dean, I'd love to see it. But I doubt the state party chairs who provided Dean's margin of victory are going to get too torn up about the fact that Dean is helping fund their resurgence.

Carville needs to shut the fuck up. If he wants a war, we'll give him one.

And it won't be a war that DC can win.

There's more of us than there are of them.

 

Number9's picture

I would call it a civil

I would call it a civil discussion.

The Ragin Cajun has civil discussions? The Clintons have civil discussions? Look it is Bill and Hill's party. You're just a member. Dean is toast. I don't know if Harold Ford will be the new man but if Bill wants Dean out then Dean is history. Anyone that still thinks Hillary will not run for President is blind and deaf.

R. Neal's picture

My prediction (and I'm

My prediction (and I'm usually wrong, but) Hillary may run, but she will not get the nomination. Howard Dean will not resign and will not be replaced by Harold Ford Jr. or anyone else for the forseeable future. That's just a crazy talk brain fart from crazy Carville, bless his heart, being spun by the GOP as some kind of stupid point that the Dems are disarrayed by victory or some ridiculous thing like that.

WhitesCreek's picture

Senator Clinton is already

Senator Clinton is already making noises about NOT running for Prez. This was rumored to be the case if Dems won the Senate, She has her grand stage and can still have a life...well...of sorts.

And Bill is raking in tons of money from speaking engagements. I think they like being rich for the first time in their lives, and this way, unlike the Republican model, they don't have to steal it.

Replacing Howard Dean may be a Republican fantasy but it won't happen until Dean himself makes that decision. Democrats of all stripes helped win this election but Chairman Dean and his 50 state strategy brought the party back to Nationwide strength by energizing thousands of volunteers that had felt disenfranchized by the political process. The real question is, "Is it too soon to build a statue of Howard Dean in front of the Dem Headquarters?"

Andy Axel's picture

So you concur Steve, it is a

So you concur Steve, it is a civil war in the Democrat Party?

Democratic. God, you Republics can't take a breath from the spinning.

Look it is Bill and Hill's party. You're just a member. Dean is toast. I don't know if Harold Ford will be the new man but if Bill wants Dean out then Dean is history.

I don't know where you get your "facts," 9. I suspect AM talk radio. So turn down the Boortz and reckon this one out: Bill and "Hill", as you call them, didn't back Dean last time. Dean was elected anyway.

State parties have the voting membership which elects chairmen of the DNC.

Randy is probably right -- this was Carville shooting off his mouth, but still, he can stuff it.

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Sven's picture

I can't find it now - I

I can't find it now - I think it was Charles Pierce - who described Him as "a chattering skull propped up on a stick."

... also, Carville isn't so much a Democrat (or a Southerner, for that matter) as a pundit. I hope and pray the media will stop turning to these demon jabberwockies now that actual Dems hold a modicum of power.  

Paul Witt's picture

The '08 election season

The '08 election season started on Wednesday.  Just look at who was first out of the gate for the Democratic nomination, DLC Chairman Tom Vilsack.

It should come as no surprise that the centrist DLC-type Democrats will try to spin this election as a victory for their candidates and positions.  Everyone else (pro-Dean types, netroots, progressives, populists) just have to keep up the pressure and not let them win.

Johnny Ringo's picture

Heh.

To paraphrase Hunter S. Thompson, "James Carville is a gutless old ward-heeler who should be stuffed in a bottle and shipped out on the Japanese current." Now. Before irreversible damage gets done.

I suspect you'd have to look far and wide to find a single Republican that would disagree with you here.

Sven's picture

Holy crap.

How did I miss this one?

What's amazing, though, is Michael [Berube]'s archival find--the alternative suggestion advanced at the time by Paul Begala and James Carville, the Democratic Party's self-appointed saviors:

By choosing former Georgia governor Zell Miller as his running mate, Al Gore could add intellectual brainpower, rhetorical firepower, and lots of plain old populist piss-and-vinegar to this staid election.

[...]

Miller would bring to the ticket a compelling personal story. In an election in which the final four candidates were the sons of a bank president, an admiral, a senator, and a president, Zell Miller was the son of a teacher--a teacher who died when Miller was just two weeks old. Raised by his mother in Appalachia, in a rock house she built herself, Miller found his focus in the United States Marine Corps, and his unabashed patriotism, combined with his down-home populism, makes him an American classic.

Zell Miller is also a world-class campaigner and orator. His keynote address to the 1992 Democratic convention ranks with Barbara Jordan's and Mario Cuomo's as one of the finest examples of powerful rhetoric and partisan passion.

At a time when politics seems moribund, Zell would bring energy. When people are looking for heroes, Zell's the real thing. And when Democrats need someone who's not afraid to open up a can of whupass on the radical right, they need look no further than Zell Miller.

 

Andy Axel's picture

(bump and update; see

(bump and update; see post)

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WhitesCreek's picture

CArville sleeps with Republicans

This is an opening salvo in the battle between the two Democratic parties...the DLC of Clinton, Carville, Ford, Bredesen allegiance...And the DNC of Deam, Gore and the 50 state strategy that won this thing for the Dems. I love them all but all hail Howard Dean! Lead us, o' wise one!

Number9's picture

So you concur Steve, it is a

So you concur Steve, it is a civil war in the Democrat Party?

Sven's picture

Indeed.

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